Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]:34677) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SioU3-0000lL-C1; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 08:12:26 -0700 Received: by yenl13 with SMTP id l13sf3795493yen.16 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 08:12:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=i4tqNCX3HkOAD2Y3+O0gOdB5d6ZsusfjjZ7LIodrfyI=; b=jpGcVjMWBZliJFpW1Bzy9fv0NF4R1+U3iZfe+RJXSvrs2vcI2rkq0k2H8I+l6zUS5H XP46FcP7mjtF/UR68+B4zyUriSEvSpYlQOehBi/wMNAE2WbI8+k5ukQZIJ0QJGA8Hc9f pjXc+iA99YGnPRQWJTHcmSvRDkScKkEQwO9JI= Received: by 10.236.191.197 with SMTP id g45mr902116yhn.7.1340550729025; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 08:12:09 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.236.113.208 with SMTP id a56ls4677766yhh.8.gmail; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 08:12:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.139.5 with SMTP id r5mr2222090ann.19.1340550728483; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 08:12:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.139.5 with SMTP id r5mr2222089ann.19.1340550728468; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 08:12:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gh0-f172.google.com (mail-gh0-f172.google.com [209.85.160.172]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v25si15029164yhm.0.2012.06.24.08.12.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 24 Jun 2012 08:12:08 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of escaaape@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.172 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.160.172; Received: by mail-gh0-f172.google.com with SMTP id g16so2350462ghb.3 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 08:12:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.237.6 with SMTP id uy6mr1165562igc.52.1340550728285; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 08:12:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.15.74 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 08:12:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <74243394-F7AA-46CD-B731-21E95827CE6B@yahoo.com> <5fbb3fd1-8c00-42a4-9dac-e9889e69757f@googlegroups.com> <000eea56-0a1e-4f54-8862-3cc817d539e1@googlegroups.com> <9cb9e4c0-f3fa-4183-8582-f14de670148c@googlegroups.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 17:12:08 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Are Natlang the best case for entropy in communication ? From: Escape Landsome To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: escaaape@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of escaaape@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.172 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=escaaape@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / > Also "scientificity" isn't a word. It is in my natlang, but sorry this does not exist in English. Come, what you want is the prove that S(Example 2) much bigger than mean value of S(Example 1s) for all Example 1s we can imagine. I reply with a minoration. A minoration IS A MATHEMATICAL proof. If I was asked by you if an elephant is bigger than a mouse, even without precisely measuring both animals, I could reason like that : Size(Elephant) much bigger than 1 meter Size(Mouse), smaller then 0.30 meter => thus Size(Elephant) much bigger than Size(Mouse) This is the same here, simply you don't perceive how much bigger is S(E2) relatively to all S(E1). But, anyway, well, I surrender. There must be somewhere studies recording estimates of S(E1s) for a lot of E1 situations where one letter is mistyped. And I bet mean value of S(E1s) is between 1 and 1.58, which is the most natural estimate tells us that in natural context there are in the worst cases 2 ou 3 possibilities. You see, I make this a prediction that can be falsified, in a popperish way of science. This is what I bet. And this is still less than 2.3 which is THE PROVED VALUE of S(E2). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.