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Am 24.06.2012 20:08, schrieb Robin Lee Powell:
> The original context was using {mi dundu ti fa'a do} to mean "I give
> ti towards/to you", which is definitely wrong; the fa'a has nothing
> to do with the ti, and even if it did, I can certainly place
> something on a table away from you and say {mi dunda ti do}, since
> dunda is about possession in the abstract and not about handing you
> something, IMO.

{mi dunda ti fa'a do} means "The event of me giving this (to somebody) 
is faced towards you." This does not tell us who the recipient is, so it 
is different from {mi dunda ti do}.

> So, how *do* we walk about the facing of objects in a bridi?

You can simply use NOI and NE:

{.i mi noi se farna do cu dunda ti do}
or: {.i mi ne fa'a do cu dunda ti do}

{.i mi dunda ti noi se farna }
or: {.i mi dunda ti ne fa'a mi do}

etc. for all the other possible permutations.

Similarly for "I walk towards you, but backwards", you can do one of the 
following:
.i mi cadzu fa'a do fau lo nu mi to'e se farna do
.i mi noi to'e se farna do cu cadzu fa'a do
.i mi fau lo nu lo crane cu trixe cu cadzu fa'a do
etc.

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

-- 
.i pau mi me ma .i pa mai ko mi jungau la'e di'u
.i ba bo mi va'o lo nu nelci lo nu me ma kau cu barkla
.i va'o lo nu na nelci cu denpa ti lo nu mi drata



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