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The problem with Lojban metaphors (in the real meaning of the term) is that=
 any time someone suggests ones, someone else points out (usually correctly=
) that it doesn't work for speakers of some other language, which has a dif=
ferent metaphor tradition.=A0 Metaphors rely heavily on culture and Lojban =
doesn't have one to fall back on, alas.



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To: lojban@googlegroups.com=20
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 11:32 AM
Subject: [lojban] Re: linguistic singularity
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On Monday, June 25, 2012 3:23:57 PM UTC+4, buro...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
coi=20
>
>jonathan: some subjects has special trance you can't ignore.=20
>
>ianek: here I wrote in simple words you can repeate reading many time=20
>to understand.=20
>
>gleki: the links which you suggested is covered by lojban just, but=20
>there few books add something different whatever its title.=20
>
>=3D The topics you suggested with your references concern lojban only,=A0
but there are also a few books that concern also other topics of=A0

interest.=A0

=A0I suggest other books for personal development.
The Ithkuil Grammar
"Metaphors We Live By" George Lakoff=A0and Mark Johnson.

They don't cover lojban at all.
Ithkuil is a complicated constructed language not as well thought out as lo=
jban but still worth reading.
Metaphors are very interesting topic. Lojban actually mostly lacks metaphor=
s. I wish we created more of them. G. Lakoff's book is now a classic.
thanks=20
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>ki'es,di'es,nanmus=20
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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ti=
mes new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>The proble=
m with Lojban metaphors (in the real meaning of the term) is that any time =
someone suggests ones, someone else points out (usually correctly) that it =
doesn't work for speakers of some other language, which has a different met=
aphor tradition.&nbsp; Metaphors rely heavily on culture and Lojban doesn't=
 have one to fall back on, alas.<br></span></div><div><br></div>  <div styl=
e=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;=
"> <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font=
-size: 12pt;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"> <hr size=
=3D"1">  <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> gleki &lt;gl=
eki.is.my.name@gmail.com&gt;<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:<=
/span></b> lojban@googlegroups.com <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:
 bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, June 25, 2012 11:32 AM<br> <b><span style=
=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [lojban] Re: linguistic singula=
rity<br> </font> </div> <br>
<div id=3D"yiv995762403"><br><br>On Monday, June 25, 2012 3:23:57 PM UTC+4,=
 buro...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:<blockquote class=3D"yiv995762403gmail_quote" st=
yle=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1=
ex;">coi
<br>
<br>jonathan: some subjects has special trance you can't ignore.
<br>
<br>ianek: here I wrote in simple words you can repeate reading many time
<br>to understand.
<br>
<br>gleki: the links which you suggested is covered by lojban just, but
<br>there few books add something different whatever its title.
<br>
<br></blockquote>=3D The topics you suggested with your references concern =
lojban only,&nbsp;<br>but there are also a few books that concern also othe=
r topics of&nbsp;<br><div>interest.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>&nbsp;I =
suggest other books for personal development.</div><div><a rel=3D"nofollow"=
 target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://ithkuil.net/" style=3D"cursor:pointer;">T=
he Ithkuil Grammar</a></div><div>"Metaphors We Live By" George Lakoff&nbsp;=
and Mark Johnson.</div><div><br></div><div>They don't cover lojban at all.<=
/div><div>Ithkuil is a complicated constructed language not as well thought=
 out as lojban but still worth reading.</div><div>Metaphors are very intere=
sting topic. Lojban actually mostly lacks metaphors. I wish we created more=
 of them. G. Lakoff's book is now a classic.</div><blockquote class=3D"yiv9=
95762403gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #c=
cc solid;padding-left:1ex;">thanks
<br>
<br>ki'es,di'es,nanmus
<br>
<br></blockquote>



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