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I like the idea (of a single place for jargon translations and discussions)
a lot, but I disagree strongly with something you wrote on the front page:

For instance, one who would translate sentient being in lojban should be
> aware the translation keeps related to all the meanings sentire in latin
> and be in english can lead to, especially from a philosophy viewpoint.
>

One of the problems with understanding jargon for laypeople is that it's
laden with too much subtle (and often useless) meaning that is only
apparent once you read the entire text. In translating, we should translate
the primary meaning; not the history.

I would translate "sentient being" as {lo kakne lo nu te sibdo}, and
possibly luvjoize it as {lo tersi'oka'e} (someone with better lujvo skills
than I can criticize) because the key point of the term is sentience, which
is the capability to think, and everything else are red herrings.

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Escape Landsome <escaaape@gmail.com> wrote:
> Coi rodo,
>
> I think that problem of finding lojban word equivalent (or
> translation) is not quite as difficult in the "common" words case that
> it is with terminologies and jargons.
>
> Especially in the case of philosophy (but possibly also chemistry,
> medecine, etc) it seems very difficult
>
> If anybody is interest, I started a wiki to discuss all of these.
> Here ==> http://terminologies.wiki-site.com/index.php/Main_Page
>
> Thanks to all !
>
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I like the idea (of a single place for jargon translations and discussions)=
 a lot, but I disagree strongly with something you wrote on the front page:=
<br><br><blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid=
 rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">

For instance, one who would translate sentient being in lojban should be aw=
are the translation keeps related to all the meanings sentire in latin and =
be in english can lead to, especially from a philosophy viewpoint. <br>

</blockquote><br>One of the problems with understanding jargon for laypeopl=
e is that it&#39;s laden with too much subtle (and often useless) meaning t=
hat is only apparent once you read the entire text. In translating, we shou=
ld translate the primary meaning; not the history.<br>

<br>I would translate &quot;sentient being&quot; as {lo kakne lo nu te sibd=
o}, and possibly luvjoize it as {lo tersi&#39;oka&#39;e} (someone with bett=
er lujvo skills than I can criticize) because the key point of the term is =
sentience, which is the capability to think, and everything else are red he=
rrings.<br>

<br>On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Escape Landsome &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
escaaape@gmail.com">escaaape@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt; Coi rodo,<br>=
&gt;<br>&gt; I think that problem of finding lojban word equivalent (or<br>

&gt; translation) is not quite as difficult in the &quot;common&quot; words=
 case that<br>&gt; it is with terminologies and jargons.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Es=
pecially in the case of philosophy (but possibly also chemistry,<br>&gt; me=
decine, etc) it seems very difficult<br>

&gt;<br>&gt; If anybody is interest, I started a wiki to discuss all of the=
se.<br>&gt; Here =3D=3D&gt; <a href=3D"http://terminologies.wiki-site.com/i=
ndex.php/Main_Page">http://terminologies.wiki-site.com/index.php/Main_Page<=
/a><br>

&gt;<br>&gt; Thanks to all !<br>&gt;<br>&gt; --<br>&gt; You received this m=
essage because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &quot;lojban&quot; g=
roup.<br>&gt; To post to this group, send email to <a href=3D"mailto:lojban=
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&gt; To unsubscribe from this group, send email to <a href=3D"mailto:lojban=
%2Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com">lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com</a>.<b=
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e.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den">http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den</=
a>.<br>

&gt;<br><br><br><br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e .arpis.<br>

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