Received: from mail-gh0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]:54901) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SjVg3-0008A4-CZ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 06:19:32 -0700 Received: by ghbf16 with SMTP id f16sf5834568ghb.16 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 06:19:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=QbTfozn9CGHyAMJILhEz/P/w1KjDHvuUnVTsoRcEHIM=; b=bp5CpG92Xzv1AQrFCS5bha0wh69/xe5sId2kyt4SS1rgNQZuYoqP1LbCjlohgkDS8m ALxUEcJuEFVua/e5A4klnk5QXCsO3R9brFlm/IDfWfnrYt4bfxUjVXLzead5enx1PaOV qvQOujue3YB391DHOuAMYLiCillDvD7GW4pdg= Received: by 10.236.76.197 with SMTP id b45mr1916277yhe.20.1340716764952; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 06:19:24 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.236.118.171 with SMTP id l31ls99290yhh.0.gmail; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 06:19:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.136.25 with SMTP id o25mr6766737ann.8.1340716763542; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 06:19:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.136.25 with SMTP id o25mr6766734ann.8.1340716763526; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 06:19:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yx0-f171.google.com (mail-yx0-f171.google.com [209.85.213.171]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b73si23383304yhh.4.2012.06.26.06.19.23 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 26 Jun 2012 06:19:23 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of escaaape@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.171 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.213.171; Received: by mail-yx0-f171.google.com with SMTP id q11so5139827yen.30 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 06:19:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.94.133 with SMTP id dc5mr11000056igb.16.1340716763245; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 06:19:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.15.74 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 06:19:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:19:23 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] A wiki to work on TERMINOLOGY problems From: Escape Landsome To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: escaaape@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of escaaape@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.171 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=escaaape@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / This is not as simple as that, .arpis The reason is that in philosophy, there is the notion (which is signified) and the word (which signifies) To convey an idea (a notion), one forges a word But somebody else can re-use this word to make it say something slightly different, --- and this is regarded as a fair move Hence, it is as if we had goods and money, goods can be exchanged with money, money can be changed to goods, and the fact there are two levels create a useful dynamics that permits people to scrutinize questions in a very efficient way (albeit for non-philosophers, this is precisely the assholish way) I wonder if this can be kept in lojban --- However, what you say makes sense, for instance Roman philosophers translated all greek terms into latin, --- and by doing this they CHANGED the philosophic viewpoint on life the Greeks had into a NEW, CREATED ON THE SPOT Roman viewpoint on life. Maybe such things cannot be avoided at all. Prepare to create a lojbanic philosophy, then ! --- gleki, you must be right. Where should we post ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.