Received: from mail-wg0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]:62790) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SjVnm-0008Dp-NI; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 06:27:36 -0700 Received: by wgbdt10 with SMTP id dt10sf3718983wgb.16 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 06:27:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Ot9MEgZg7hM8HElb/xdrJeF//G7NOgkWWjYPegrhMdM=; b=fD1F8qWGIYqO1XHcH5qeCuzILEczzi0z/flCQsnddUX9JA6U5iB2BOxmNAKMf+8zHl StzWlJlF/LBqvJuvFkFhxrVGmQqZa8vIJhQ0AovpWofxxoAPRAlQixhcxTm6Fz5WVoud zg7GgIzYhjqRWfnunwwbIVQC2ZEJTis4j4GOk= Received: by 10.204.152.197 with SMTP id h5mr737250bkw.21.1340717242779; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 06:27:22 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.152.214 with SMTP id h22ls84606bkw.4.gmail; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 06:27:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.134.138 with SMTP id ic10mr1823297bkc.8.1340717240240; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 06:27:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.134.138 with SMTP id ic10mr1823296bkc.8.1340717240216; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 06:27:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f181.google.com (mail-lb0-f181.google.com [209.85.217.181]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id hy18si15631002bkc.2.2012.06.26.06.27.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 26 Jun 2012 06:27:20 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.181 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.181; Received: by lbbgk8 with SMTP id gk8so86828lbb.40 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 06:27:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.84.65 with SMTP id w1mr7631517lby.40.1340717239744; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 06:27:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.46.36 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 06:27:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 07:27:19 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] A wiki to work on TERMINOLOGY problems From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.181 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0401696dd1b89e04c3600eca X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d0401696dd1b89e04c3600eca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 7:19 AM, Escape Landsome wrote: > This is not as simple as that, .arpis > > The reason is that in philosophy, there is the notion (which is > signified) and the word (which signifies) > > To convey an idea (a notion), one forges a word > > But somebody else can re-use this word to make it say something > slightly different, --- and this is regarded as a fair move > > Hence, it is as if we had goods and money, goods can be exchanged with > money, money can be changed to goods, and the fact there are two > levels create a useful dynamics that permits people to scrutinize > questions in a very efficient way (albeit for non-philosophers, this > is precisely the assholish way) > > I wonder if this can be kept in lojban > > --- > > However, what you say makes sense, for instance Roman philosophers > translated all greek terms into latin, --- and by doing this they > CHANGED the philosophic viewpoint on life the Greeks had into a NEW, > CREATED ON THE SPOT Roman viewpoint on life. > > Maybe such things cannot be avoided at all. > > Prepare to create a lojbanic philosophy, then ! > > --- > > gleki, you must be right. Where should we post ? > > Oh, I don't know.... Maybe, um, where we're already doing that? http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Terminology -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --f46d0401696dd1b89e04c3600eca Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 7:19 AM, Escape = Landsome <escaaape@gmail.com> wrote:
This is not as simple as that, .arpis

The reason is that in philosophy, there is the notion (which is
signified) and the word (which signifies)

To convey an idea (a notion), one forges a word

But somebody else can re-use this word to make it say something
slightly different, --- and this is regarded as a fair move

Hence, it is as if we had goods and money, goods can be exchanged with
money, money can be changed to goods, and the fact there are two
levels create a useful dynamics that permits people to scrutinize
questions in a very efficient way (albeit for non-philosophers, this
is precisely the assholish way)

I wonder if this can be kept in lojban

---

However, what you say makes sense, for instance Roman philosophers
translated all greek terms into latin, --- and by doing this they
CHANGED the philosophic viewpoint on life the Greeks had into a NEW,
CREATED ON THE SPOT Roman viewpoint on life.

Maybe such things cannot be avoided at all.

Prepare to create a lojbanic philosophy, then !

---

gleki, you must be right. =A0 Where should we post ?

<= /div>

Oh, I don't know.... Maybe, um, where we'= ;re already doing that?

http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Terminology

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko c= mima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the = Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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