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vitci'i wrote:
> On 06/25/2012 11:43 PM, hellznrg@gmail.com wrote:
>> Hi everyone, sorry if this question has been asked before, and if
>> so, if you could provide a link or two that would be great. I tried
>> looking on google, but not quite sure how to search for this..
>>
>> My question is, is it possible to produce a set of gismu (root
>> words) with a 100% bias to english? (perhaps calling the resulting
>> Lojban variant "englog" or "englan" or something like that. I tried
>> learning lojban before but I just got put off by the foreignness of
>> the words. Perhaps it may be that learning the grammar first using
>> english gismu would be much easier than just jumping in the deep
>> end. This may give rise to many dialects (the chinese may want
>> their variant of lojban having gismu 100% biased to chinese), but
>> perhaps this is not a bad thing?
>
> I think that applying lojban grammar to English vocabulary would be
> confusing. Let's try it and find out.
>
> i expect the event the event the is-grammar of the-named lojban
> combine the is-word of {fi} the-named english-language {kei}
> confuse. [suggestion] [imperative] we experiment something-about
> previous-sentence with-motive the event we learn.

I did a more thorough analysis of the question back in one of the old
issues of Ju'i Lobypli, in response to a question from University of
Maryland professor James Yorke, and included a variety of examples of=20
how it might work (or not work, as you conclude).  Alas, the current=20
website search doesn't seem to find things in the old JLs, which are=20
somewhere on the website, and I am not finding it immediately in my own=20
copies.

A better example to respond to the questioner might be to take a=20
paragraph of Lojban text, say from Alice, and simply substitute English=20
keywords for the gismu, and hyphenated-keywords for the lujvo.  It still=20
doesn't work, but I think it is closer to what is being asked.

> i lu uo sei la alis pensi mi ba lo nu farlu tai ti cu ba na=92e xanka le =
nu farlu
> fo le serti i lu ua virnu sei le lanzu tu=92a mi ba jinvi li=92u i u=92o =
mi noda cusku
> va=92o ji=92asai le nu mi farlu fi le drudi be le zdani tosa=92a la=92e d=
i=92u la=92a jetnu toi
> li=92u

Using English gismu, this becomes:

i lu uo sei la alis thinks mi ba lo nu fall tai ti cu ba na=92e nervous le=
=20
nu fall fo le stairs i lu ua brave sei le family tu=92a mi ba opines li=92u=
=20
i u=92o mi noda express va=92o ji=92asai le nu mi fall fi le roof be le nes=
t=20
tosa=92a la=92e di=92u la=92a true toi li=92u

I think it pretty safe to say that few would find this any easier to=20
understand than the pure Lojban, even discounting the confusion caused=20
by Lojban gismu not meaning exactly the same thing as the keywords.

--=20
Bob LeChevalier    lojbab@lojban.org    www.lojban.org
President and Founder, The Logical Language Group, Inc.


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