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On 26 June 2012 13:25, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com> wrote:
> I would translate "sentient being" as {lo kakne lo nu te sibdo}, and
> possibly luvjoize it as {lo tersi'oka'e} (someone with better lujvo skills
> than I can criticize) because the key point of the term is sentience, which
> is the capability to think, and everything else are red herrings.

"Sentience" isn't limited to the capability to think. It includes
mechanisms for primitive senses such as pleasure and pain. As far as I
can tell, "sentient beings" refers to whatever individuals that can
receive physical stimuli as sensory information, which includes
non-humans (hence its significance in animal rights movements). That
sounds like simply {lo ganse}.

OED:
"sentient" -- able to see or feel things through the senses

Other references:
http://ciwf.org.uk/animal_sentience/policy_and_culture/suggested_reading/default.aspx
http://www.d.umn.edu/~dcole/sense5.html
http://www.rfreitas.com/Astro/Xenopsychology.htm

* * *

So that was my example of commenting on a technical term for a Lojban
equivalent. Will such be best pursued on Escape's wiki, or on
Lojban.org, or on mailing lists (including jbovlaste's)?


mu'o

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