Received: from mail-ob0-f189.google.com ([209.85.214.189]:55765) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Sjq8k-00013f-8n; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 04:10:34 -0700 Received: by obbun3 with SMTP id un3sf928091obb.16 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 04:10:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from :to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=E9TF8hzStPu1iofh+o87kuA1ktz2hud6OksXYSKyDOk=; b=6kh3RjqzchP1dJhaQNF9vi12XVkQG+umMu6z3j5+A9fWw1X4vEKlMeSCcXwPT9r1ya sAjFaFvYpxYDmnJflDLr2OJxUN0h4mNvzmey9wJfbLWnk3BGXOiaS1s9N5v3Moy8fcrg SpzqkOFZEcXDlEt8p8e+BEzyYfwyC9EFWxfOo= Received: by 10.236.173.230 with SMTP id v66mr2766886yhl.3.1340795423962; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 04:10:23 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.236.124.81 with SMTP id w57ls2069202yhh.2.gmail; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 04:10:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.152.27 with SMTP id e27mr8515934ano.24.1340795423046; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 04:10:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.152.27 with SMTP id e27mr8515888ano.24.1340795420963; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 04:10:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-f47.google.com (mail-yw0-f47.google.com [209.85.213.47]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q4si9211296ano.0.2012.06.27.04.10.19 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 27 Jun 2012 04:10:19 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.47 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.213.47; Received: by yhjj56 with SMTP id j56so1316512yhj.6 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 04:10:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.30.101 with SMTP id r5mr19944767oeh.68.1340795418982; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 04:10:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.18.203 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 04:10:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 13:10:18 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] age From: Remo Dentato To: lojban X-Original-Sender: rdentato@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.47 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rdentato@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / I was trying to say "the 'I Ching' is a book more than 5000 years old". The first problem I encountered is {cukta}. When we say {cukta} are we thinking about a physical instance of a book (with its pages, hardcover etc) or the concept is general enough to include the abstract concept of "books"? Then I started thinking about "age". We have a "by standard" place for "young" and "old" which I think it's not to be used to express the age. Then we have an experimental gismu {laldo} whose gloss suggests it's just a word for "old" to avoid considering "old" as just the opposite of "young". That said I'm still uncertain on how to express something/someone age ... Suggestions? remod -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.