Received: from mail-we0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]:49429) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SjqIe-000173-AL; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 04:20:48 -0700 Received: by werm13 with SMTP id m13sf670879wer.16 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 04:20:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=pOH/ExLCad9RNnyJh7sWgbw/djBfNq12T6vBvS/ctUE=; b=5aMDDjLxWzHITayPZ5nHR62dhB71IrX4/Ix5T7UTie23CjlkZVDnYh707YYg/CMcQa jA5kASpDZh4GFMbI66WxS50DsxRntxEJ/wMPFP0lptkzt7tcjUPbA8YOHahISXk+/W5r OW4W6tGLH7ALFWGT6r/1f8cnjN8XLd/O6vtzg= Received: by 10.204.152.220 with SMTP id h28mr1097432bkw.26.1340796036874; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 04:20:36 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.128.67 with SMTP id j3ls1227000bks.9.gmail; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 04:20:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.122.65 with SMTP id gf1mr2281250bkc.2.1340796035173; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 04:20:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.122.65 with SMTP id gf1mr2281248bkc.2.1340796035109; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 04:20:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f180.google.com (mail-lb0-f180.google.com [209.85.217.180]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id iv15si17931681bkc.0.2012.06.27.04.20.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 27 Jun 2012 04:20:35 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.180 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.180; Received: by lbbgj3 with SMTP id gj3so1323038lbb.25 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 04:20:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.114.3 with SMTP id jc3mr20204637lab.11.1340796034586; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 04:20:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.46.36 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 04:20:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 05:20:34 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] age From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.180 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04088c7f5b972304c372671d X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d04088c7f5b972304c372671d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I would suggest {lonu la'oi.I Ching. zasti cu nanca li ji'imuki'o}. On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 5:10 AM, Remo Dentato wrote: > I was trying to say "the 'I Ching' is a book more than 5000 years old". > > The first problem I encountered is {cukta}. When we say {cukta} are we > thinking about a physical instance of a book (with its pages, > hardcover etc) or the concept is general enough to include the > abstract concept of "books"? > > Then I started thinking about "age". We have a "by standard" place for > "young" and "old" which I think it's not to be used to express the > age. Then we have an experimental gismu {laldo} whose gloss suggests > it's just a word for "old" to avoid considering "old" as just the > opposite of "young". > > That said I'm still uncertain on how to express something/someone age ... > > Suggestions? > > remod > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --f46d04088c7f5b972304c372671d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would suggest {lonu la'oi.I Ching. zasti cu nanca li ji'imuki'= ;o}.

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 5:10 AM, Rem= o Dentato <rdentato@gmail.com> wrote:
I was trying to say "the 'I Ching&#= 39; is a book more than 5000 years old".

The first problem I encountered is {cukta}. When we say {cukta} are we
thinking about a physical instance of a book (with its pages,
hardcover etc) or the concept is general enough to include the
abstract concept of "books"?

Then I started thinking about "age". We have a "by standard&= quot; place for
"young" and "old" which I think it's not to be used= to express the
age. Then we have an experimental gismu {laldo} whose gloss suggests
it's just a word for "old" to avoid considering "old&quo= t; as just the
opposite of "young".

That said I'm still uncertain on how to express something/someone age .= ..

Suggestions?

remod

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