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On Friday, June 29, 2012 6:14:13 AM UTC+2, tsani wrote:
>
> {tcidu lo cukta} is definitely weird, but is cutka2 text? Or is it 
> more like bangu3: a si'o/du'u of some kind? I'd personally opt for the 
> second, because we can say what the book is *about* rather than 
> *exactly what it contains as text*. 
>
I like that.
 

> {lo cukta be lo du'u lo nu jamna cu mokau} "A book about war" 
> and 
> {mi tcidu lu .i xlali lo se gugde li'u lo cukta be lo du'u lo nu jamna cu 
> mokau} 
>
> iepei 
>
.ie

So, if I take {tcidu} to have a written text (letter arrangement) as its 
x2, and the x2 of {cukta} as not the written text but the contents, then 
combining {tcidu} and {cukta} is somewhat verbose, and my tendency to 
combine them is perhaps just natlang-biased. Perhaps, from a Lojban 
perspective, it comes more naturally to say eg {mencti lo se cukta} rather 
than {tcidu}?

I'm still confused though. I think the English word 'text' can somehow 
refer to both the arrangement of words/letters and its meaning. *sigh* I 
should learn Lojban well enough to completely ignore the English glosses.

iesk

PS: Probably not representative, but: 
http://lojban.lilyx.net/jufsisku/?q=tcidu ...

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On Friday, June 29, 2012 6:14:13 AM UTC+2, tsani wrote:<blockquote class=3D=
"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc s=
olid;padding-left: 1ex;">{tcidu lo cukta} is definitely weird, but is cutka=
2 text? Or is it
<br>more like bangu3: a si'o/du'u of some kind? I'd personally opt for the
<br>second, because we can say what the book is *about* rather than
<br>*exactly what it contains as text*.
<br></blockquote><div>I like that.<br>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204=
, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">{lo cukta be lo du'u lo nu jamna cu mokau}=
 "A book about war"
<br>and
<br>{mi tcidu lu .i xlali lo se gugde li'u lo cukta be lo du'u lo nu jamna =
cu mokau}
<br>
<br>iepei
<br></blockquote><div>.ie<br><br>So, if I take {tcidu} to have a written te=
xt (letter arrangement) as its x2, and the x2 of {cukta} as not the written=
 text but the contents, then combining {tcidu} and {cukta} is somewhat verb=
ose, and my tendency to combine them is perhaps just natlang-biased. Perhap=
s, from a Lojban perspective, it comes more naturally to say eg {mencti lo =
se cukta} rather than {tcidu}?<br><br>I'm still confused though. I think th=
e English word 'text' can somehow=20
refer to both the arrangement of words/letters and its meaning. *sigh* I
 should learn Lojban well enough to completely ignore the English=20
glosses.<br><br>iesk<br><br>PS: Probably not representative, but: http://lo=
jban.lilyx.net/jufsisku/?q=3Dtcidu ...<br></div>

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