Received: from mail-gg0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]:40510) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Skrkl-0006Nr-4s; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 00:06:07 -0700 Received: by ggke5 with SMTP id e5sf3910526ggk.16 for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 00:05:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=QzQIqvNl87gBFelif2AENXxE/XoK6OJNqxfXhRw3v9o=; b=vgONtyms2/hTts0OexV7PBfyB4W9CmFacPra+VbSOa6ASQ2pfHVsjNAgcuC2GLfNL6 78aE75OnfpehpiW5qv8wZaeXdJ3X+H/gmBfV27bBWL6Xqupz51XK8hMxxovRjXj8wVew eNFiGwUve87lJsyVCCUCgA6+bR0JqlI6zBQbg= Received: by 10.52.20.51 with SMTP id k19mr338998vde.8.1341039952631; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 00:05:52 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.115.146 with SMTP id i18ls2582068vcq.0.gmail; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 00:05:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.20.51 with SMTP id k19mr338997vde.8.1341039952004; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 00:05:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 00:05:51 -0700 (PDT) From: gleki To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <7373fbfd-72cb-4700-a946-451d21c5cdd4@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [lojban] The x3 of {srana} MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_287_3835101.1341039951584" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_287_3835101.1341039951584 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 sorry for a question from a nintadni. Can't {sekai} be used as an alternative to x3-srana and similar brivla? On Friday, June 29, 2012 9:49:24 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote: > > I agree. There's actually a lot of gismu that I feel are missing a place, > most of which are specifically for reasons of regularity, i.e. all the > other gismu of the same class have place structure "x1 is broda of x2 in > way x3", and this one is only "x1 is broda of x2". > > On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Jacob Errington wrote: > >> coi rodo >> >> Twice now, I've had to use {sekai} in order to get a sort of "complete >> srana" such that "srana = x1 pertains to x2 in aspect x3". >> I feel like this should be a part of the place structure of srana >> proper. Adding a place to a gismu breaks no usage, as we all know, so >> there is no fear of corrupting existing Lojban. >> >> Does anyone agree? >> >> mu'o mi'e la tsani >> >> p.s. I'm not really *proposing* that we effect this change *now*. But, >> I'm just saying that it would be really neat, if maybe when a bigger >> reworking of the language comes around, that we add this place, which >> seems really srana to srana, if you know what I mean. >> >> I'll also be adding this to the gismu issues page. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> >> > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/mR_hQRaAV6QJ. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. ------=_Part_287_3835101.1341039951584 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable sorry for a question from a nintadni. Can't {sekai} be used as an alternati= ve to x3-srana and similar brivla?

On Friday, June 29, 2012 9:49:24 = PM UTC+4, aionys wrote:
I agree= . There's actually a lot of gismu that I feel are missing a place, most of = which are specifically for reasons of regularity, i.e. all the other gismu = of the same class have place structure "x1 is broda of x2 in way x3", and t= his one is only "x1 is broda of x2".

On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Jacob Erri= ngton <nictytan@gmail.com> wrote:
coi rodo

Twice now, I've had to use {sekai} in order to get a sort of "complete
srana" such that "srana =3D x1 pertains to x2 in aspect x3".
I feel like this should be a part of the place structure of srana
proper. Adding a place to a gismu breaks no usage, as we all know, so
there is no fear of corrupting existing Lojban.

Does anyone agree?

mu'o mi'e la tsani

p.s. I'm not really *proposing* that we effect this change *now*. But,
I'm just saying that it would be really neat, if maybe when a bigger
reworking of the language comes around, that we add this place, which
seems really srana to srana, if you know what I mean.

I'll also be adding this to the gismu issues page.

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