Received: from mail-qc0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]:42777) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Sle93-0001nI-Qn; Mon, 02 Jul 2012 03:46:28 -0700 Received: by qcac11 with SMTP id c11sf4071755qca.16 for ; Mon, 02 Jul 2012 03:46:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=O9OdB+sFFIoOIHjk4X8n/zlLitik8QhZUT/N52j2Bos=; b=u/9rBpUwvmYSEAs0kuKm7C/6YavnjedDGE5BFrQQVhaayxslLxnwfTfqsgNY8iuWL2 6rCxbDPOuOhpLywsDCNsZwPtmpT7j8xb8dbd2dE55HvyHF/iLZ++XOAQ14j2OpfW0aJU 1L1uIY4lZWzX01O9S5PLizF4tLJhYQ5xNHgag= Received: by 10.52.34.9 with SMTP id v9mr524393vdi.9.1341225970038; Mon, 02 Jul 2012 03:46:10 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.221.13.130 with SMTP id pm2ls2958191vcb.6.gmail; Mon, 02 Jul 2012 03:46:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.68.134 with SMTP id w6mr533311vdt.6.1341225969578; Mon, 02 Jul 2012 03:46:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 03:46:09 -0700 (PDT) From: gleki To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <0272ac1d-d5f4-4e7b-99d2-29ae627ad27d@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: <90a7e54c-42fe-4ee0-9693-8155db9a7646@googlegroups.com> <62818d3a-c188-43d5-ad25-09c4cc9aca6c@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Is there any demand for LoCCan3? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_41_5302151.1341225969175" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_41_5302151.1341225969175 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Monday, July 2, 2012 2:01:45 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote: > > Ah ha! I have found it. It's actually in an topic on the main Lojban group > entitled "The Mad Proposals": > https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/lojban/ExtEumbYoQg > > ki'anaisai kie'sai .i .a'o you guys from BPFK'2012+ will set those connective free and make this language (not any mythical loccan3) more simple while not breaking the baseline. > On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 3:55 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 3:41 AM, gleki wrote: >> >>> Let's discuss it now ))). >>> After reading the article I want new language even less. >>> *The monkey took the banana and ate it.* >>> *Pam went home because she felt sick.* >>> *The dog ate the bird and it died.* (!!!!!!!!!!!) >>> >>> In each case I can use {ta} and the context will decide who felt sick >>> (the house or Pam) and who died (the dog or the bird). >>> >>> In other cases vo'a, ko'a can solve the problem. >>> >>> {sei} can be problematic for me but I hope CLL 1.1 will explain it. >>> >>> I can think of no other cases of anaphora. >>> >>> And it's still am mystery for me what can be done with >>> >>> 2. There should be new cmavo for individuals, sets and masses >>> 3. new design of connectives >>> >>> >> Well, the connectives issue is, as far as I'm aware, that there's too >> many of them, and some are very poorly defined- we don't know exactly how >> they interact. >> >> I believe .xorxes. created a proposal that addressed the first issue at >> least. I remember reading it, and deciding that I rather liked the idea. >> Let me see if I can find it, I know it's on the Lojban site. >> >> >>> On Monday, July 2, 2012 10:26:12 AM UTC+4, la .lindar. wrote: >>> >>>> It's come up a few times. >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Anaphora_(linguistics) >>>> >>>> I think we're working on the rest. >>>> >>>> It's a theoretical next-step language, but I don't see it happening any >>>> time soon since we're changing up our game. >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "lojban" group. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/ZqkHTaoWCKAJ. >>> >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >> >> > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/3x7BtVHT2IMJ. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. ------=_Part_41_5302151.1341225969175 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Monday, July 2, 2012 2:01:45 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote:
Ah ha! I have found it. It's actually in an topic = on the main Lojban group entitled "The Mad Proposals": https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/lojban/Ex= tEumbYoQg


ki'anaisai kie'sai
.i .a'o you guys fro= m BPFK'2012+ will set those connective free and make this language (not any= mythical loccan3) more simple while not breaking the baseline.
<= br>
 
On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 3:55 AM, Jonathan Jones <eye= onus@gmail.com> wrote:


On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 3:41 AM, gle= ki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
Let's discuss it now ))).
After reading the article I want new language= even less.
The monkey took the banana and ate it. 
Pam we= nt home because she felt sick.  
The dog ate the bird= and it died.  (!!!!!!!!!!!)

In each case I can use {ta} and the context will decide= who felt sick (the house or Pam) and who died (the dog or the bird).
=

In other cases  vo'a, ko'a can solve the problem.<= /div>

{sei} can be problematic for me but I hope CLL 1.1 will= explain it.

I can think of no other cases of anap= hora.

And it's still am mystery for me what can be= done with
<= div>2. There should be new cmavo for individuals, sets and masses
3. new design of connectives

Well, the connectives issue is, as far as I'm a= ware, that there's too many of them, and some are very poorly defined- we d= on't know exactly how they interact.

I believe .xorxes. created a pr= oposal that addressed the first issue at least. I remember reading it, and = deciding that I rather liked the idea. Let me see if I can find it, I know = it's on the Lojban site.
 
On Monday, July 2, 2012 10:26:12 AM UTC+4, la .lindar. wrote:
It's come up a few times.

I think we're working on the rest.

=
It's a theoretical next-step language, but I don't see it happen= ing any time soon since we're changing up our game.

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