Received: from mail-wg0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]:37506) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SlhlT-00057f-TM; Mon, 02 Jul 2012 07:40:16 -0700 Received: by wgbdt10 with SMTP id dt10sf3782057wgb.16 for ; Mon, 02 Jul 2012 07:36:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authenticated:x-provags-id:message-id :date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-y-gmx-trusted:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=2zD7ea4V4t+ZqWZQIObyhyaML0AskVHgIXBvjzH6vi8=; b=TAsNUL672tMeSNp/adc+PM1Bc0IYXQrqsS8umv/pWWKqBFpb1HVPsnkWxcxht/UM4K 9R5jRlOWG+ZZNeP9sMce2wkw68340a1x50XFIpHdahiUlZxmRlXFmS5zAAiolb/Hzyb6 grMNh9qhVfUc9YCDw7YCHEDfy7FBH3Ehs452g= Received: by 10.180.24.70 with SMTP id s6mr367368wif.2.1341239809042; Mon, 02 Jul 2012 07:36:49 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.200.203 with SMTP id z53ls5433693wen.5.gmail; Mon, 02 Jul 2012 07:36:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.96.42 with SMTP id dp10mr1206213wib.2.1341239807167; Mon, 02 Jul 2012 07:36:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.96.42 with SMTP id dp10mr1206212wib.2.1341239807152; Mon, 02 Jul 2012 07:36:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net. [213.165.64.22]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id o7si3843860wix.1.2012.07.02.07.36.47; Mon, 02 Jul 2012 07:36:47 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.22 as permitted sender) client-ip=213.165.64.22; Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 02 Jul 2012 14:36:46 -0000 Received: from p57A08C6A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.1.33]) [87.160.140.106] by mail.gmx.net (mp028) with SMTP; 02 Jul 2012 16:36:46 +0200 X-Authenticated: #54293076 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+jMIdpdYijlCotm1timAiAPkuwRBk7M8uUYDdhRi u68RTgkZs+O7sg Message-ID: <4FF1B1FB.7010605@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2012 16:36:43 +0200 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] la snime blabi References: <4FBC0F38.7080107@gmx.de> <4FDA171C.1050800@gmx.de> <4FE871ED.10204@gmx.de> <4FE8CBA3.5070103@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.22 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040302080101040706040702" X-Spam-Note: SpamAssassin invocation failed This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040302080101040706040702 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Am 02.07.2012 16:19, schrieb Michael Turniansky: > > "ni'o lo kalte ca lo nu lo xarju panzi cu jbikla cu daktuncatra gi'e > lebna lo fepri .e lo livga gi'e bevri fi'o sinxa ku fi lo noltruni'u > .i lo jukpa cu .ei silnyjau jukpa xai" > > Now, I'm not an expert on the grammar of experimental camvo like > "xai", and obviously you intend the referent to be lo fepri jo'u lo > livga, but couldn't it also be lo noltruni'u jo'u lo jukpa? Is "xai" > like "ra", vague? Or is it like "ri" and strictly referring to the > most recent n>2 sumti? I use it like "ra" but referring to multiple sumti. I haven't seen this word used much, if at all, so I don't know how other people use it. I do think, however, that (if understood to work like ra) it is apparent that it refers to lung and liver, because the cook is unlikely to cook the queen and himself. :) If xai is supposed to refer to the last <1 sumti immediately preceeding it, then another cmavo would be useful to have that behaves the way I used xai in the story (maybe xau). Let's hear what its inventor (Pierre, I believe) thinks about it. mu'o mi'e la selpa'i -- .i pau mi me ma .i pa mai ko mi jungau la'e di'u .i ba bo mi va'o lo nu nelci lo nu me ma kau cu barkla .i va'o lo nu na nelci cu denpa ti lo nu mi drata -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --------------040302080101040706040702 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Am 02.07.2012 16:19, schrieb Michael Turniansky:

"ni'o lo kalte ca lo nu lo xarju panzi cu jbikla cu daktuncatra gi'e lebna lo fepri .e lo livga gi'e bevri fi'o sinxa ku fi lo noltruni'u .i lo jukpa cu .ei silnyjau jukpa xai"

  Now, I'm not an expert on the grammar of experimental camvo like "xai", and obviously you intend the referent to be lo fepri jo'u lo livga, but couldn't it also be lo noltruni'u jo'u lo jukpa?  Is "xai" like "ra", vague? Or is it like "ri" and strictly referring to the most recent n>2 sumti?

I use it like "ra" but referring to multiple sumti. I haven't seen this word used much, if at all, so I don't know how other people use it. I do think, however, that (if understood to work like ra) it is apparent that it refers to lung and liver, because the cook is unlikely to cook the queen and himself. :)
If xai is supposed to refer to the last <1 sumti immediately preceeding it, then another cmavo would be useful to have that behaves the way I used xai in the story (maybe xau). Let's hear what its inventor (Pierre, I believe) thinks about it.

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
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.i pau mi me ma .i pa mai ko mi jungau la'e di'u 
.i ba bo mi va'o lo nu nelci lo nu me ma kau cu barkla 
.i va'o lo nu na nelci cu denpa ti lo nu mi drata


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