Received: from mail-gg0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]:50669) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SlnEj-0001pm-RK; Mon, 02 Jul 2012 13:28:55 -0700 Received: by ggke5 with SMTP id e5sf6368497ggk.16 for ; Mon, 02 Jul 2012 13:28:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ym2+vOCaa1XeTuAMhkn6yjdfqzH1T8Yt0jXJXvGgj+o=; b=6sYk0I5u5cJD1B81L6wihE4jJOnCBE/W7oE/BCOQTtOAhEWpn20k7DYV3bQyrV3BE6 6mXuDrIFxIUUya9IBBhvG1XBuSQm+Pw6PFAaz3EpTaiaMgUGWFHo+zCtJl5GGipFpfmU 9Zj8iq4gjPEbS7ipuBO1etgV9RBUfLpjtwzaY= Received: by 10.236.37.129 with SMTP id y1mr1923746yha.9.1341260917442; Mon, 02 Jul 2012 13:28:37 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.236.141.11 with SMTP id f11ls11892940yhj.9.gmail; 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spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.179 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f83a61375f3b104c3dea429 X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.4 X-Spam_score_int: -3 X-Spam_bar: / --e89a8f83a61375f3b104c3dea429 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 4:12 AM, Muhammad Na'el wr= ote: > Maybe this's true for the lerfu. >> The phoneme "ts" is usually pronounced in the duration of one normal >> consonant (as in most approximants). >> So, the phoneme "ts" should be pronounced longer *(?)* to help >> distinguish between its 2 parts; the same applies for other similar lett= ers. >> > As someone has already remarked, "ts" is not a phoneme, it's a composition of two phonemes: "t" and "s". stevo > When "prosody *(?)* is eventually integrated (or worked with) in Lojban, >> logic will be our judge. > > > ---The *(?)*'s are mine. > > > On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 10:00 AM, buroq_mat@yahoo.co.uk < > buroq_mat@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > >> may this true for d lerfu... >> the pronounciaton 'ts' be pronounounced in one letter duration time not >> in two or more so we can distinguished by ts two letters or more such as= ts >> in "tsani" will soken in two letters duration time, and so on... >> note: when prosody do with lojban will appear principles like this, at >> that time should persuade our selves by logic rules. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "lojban" group. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/BucnAbpNDcEJ. >> >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >> > > > > -- > > =E2=80=BA=E2=80=BA MN > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 4:12 AM, Muhamma= d Na'el <muhammad.nael@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe this's true for the lerfu.
T= he=C2=A0phoneme "ts" is usually pronounced in the duration of one= normal consonant (as in most approximants).
So, the phoneme "ts" should be pronounced longer (?)=C2=A0= to help distinguish between its 2 parts; the same applies for other similar= letters.

As someone= has already remarked, "ts" is not a phoneme, it's a composit= ion of two phonemes: "t" and "s".=C2=A0

stevo
=C2=A0
When "prosody (?)=C2=A0is eventually integrated (or worked with= ) in Lojban, logic will be our judge.

---The (?)'s are mine.


On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 10:00 AM, buroq_mat@yahoo.co.uk= <buroq_mat@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
may this true for d lerfu...
the pronounciaton 'ts' be pronounounced in one letter duration= time not in two or more=C2=A0so we can distinguished by ts two letters or = more=C2=A0such as ts in=C2=A0"tsani" will soken in two letters du= ration time, and so on...
note: when prosody do with lojban will appear principles like this, at= that time should=C2=A0persuade our selves by logic rules.

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