Received: from mail-wg0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]:42347) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SlrkZ-0004OE-0l; Mon, 02 Jul 2012 18:18:07 -0700 Received: by wgbdt10 with SMTP id dt10sf4079872wgb.16 for ; Mon, 02 Jul 2012 18:17:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=UGnueyM+rcqZhmUPZbf6eHRQlTEobasL5cZP+wbjdoA=; b=Ikt3/wnW32d69lktF3B6NHBJM8SaodKCpyWmjikdsMaBjul79jAc5laUMNsr78lTW9 9/ePOZlr1/wBztfVNDCzYRU5pWLCtxAPcU0JQDLPWPLijAkdVORojw2XGiCK4pdL/8zR McSRl+x4hc+ovudYs/znpFE2MPz76vdDSDKHU= Received: by 10.204.152.220 with SMTP id h28mr608809bkw.26.1341278266732; Mon, 02 Jul 2012 18:17:46 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.8.149 with SMTP id h21ls6170653bkh.3.gmail; Mon, 02 Jul 2012 18:17:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.130.7 with SMTP id q7mr226471bks.2.1341278264878; Mon, 02 Jul 2012 18:17:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.130.7 with SMTP id q7mr226470bks.2.1341278264855; Mon, 02 Jul 2012 18:17:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f177.google.com (mail-lb0-f177.google.com [209.85.217.177]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k7si11044094bks.2.2012.07.02.18.17.44 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 02 Jul 2012 18:17:44 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.177 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.177; Received: by lbbgg6 with SMTP id gg6so11475669lbb.22 for ; Mon, 02 Jul 2012 18:17:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.29.166 with SMTP id l6mr7218897lbh.68.1341278264400; Mon, 02 Jul 2012 18:17:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.46.36 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 18:17:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <50b8ee46-1757-44c8-b4b2-f53e5308a15a@googlegroups.com> References: <2a315ff4-fb94-4f9c-a1b0-c1bcc63ba74b@d6g2000vbe.googlegroups.com> <38e60edb-c7b9-4db6-ba8d-a6dd5e1b4dfd@googlegroups.com> <50b8ee46-1757-44c8-b4b2-f53e5308a15a@googlegroups.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 19:17:44 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Making echo while speeching From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.177 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d040169637e998704c3e2aede X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d040169637e998704c3e2aede Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The simple reason for that is most of us are native English speakers, or are at least competent speakers of same. At least at one point, whether or not true today, this was not merely true of the members on this list, but of Lojban speakers in total. Nowadays we have Lojban groups in various natlangs- I am aware of at least Spanish, Russian, and Japanese, and expect there's an Arabic one as well- so it may no longer be true of all jbopre. I'll admit I have no idea how much cross-polination there is among the various natlang groups, but I do know one thing- the in-Lojban Lojban list gets the /least/ amount of activity, which is exactly the reverse of how things should be. On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 3:09 PM, iesk wrote: > Even if nothing else came of it (and I'm not convinced that it doesn't), > these kind of discussions are a reminder of the fact that this (in my > perception: important) 'lojban' list functions primarily in a random > natlang, ie English, and that people (me included) (legitimately or not) > feel uncomfortable contributing in other random (nat)langs. I think that > such a reminder is in itself valuable. ;) > > Med vendlig hilsen, > iesk > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/NblSEYl39NIJ. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --f46d040169637e998704c3e2aede Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The simple reason for that is most of us are native English speakers, or ar= e at least competent speakers of same. At least at one point, whether or no= t true today, this was not merely true of the members on this list, but of = Lojban speakers in total. Nowadays we have Lojban groups in various natlang= s- I am aware of at least Spanish, Russian, and Japanese, and expect there&= #39;s an Arabic one as well- so it may no longer be true of all jbopre.

I'll admit I have no idea how much cross-polination there is among = the various natlang groups, but I do know one thing- the in-Lojban Lojban l= ist gets the /least/ amount of activity, which is exactly the reverse of ho= w things should be.

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 3:09 PM, iesk <pa.fae@gm= x.de> wrote:
Even if nothing else came of it (and I'm not convinced that it doesn= 9;t), these kind of discussions are a reminder of the fact that this (in my= perception: important) 'lojban' list functions primarily in a rand= om natlang, ie English, and that people (me included) (legitimately or not)= feel uncomfortable contributing in other random (nat)langs. I think that s= uch a reminder is in itself valuable. ;)

Med vendlig hilsen,
iesk

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