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A scheme to use punctuation (characters like ? and ") to aid clarity in texts can be found here http://www.lojban.org/tiki/typography This page also links to a discussion about using punctuation and also to a table of listing what characters have what use. The first two points, (1) and (2), lojban can be written in many different ways. Each different way is called a "mode" or "orthography". Normally we use the 'latin mode', but some people have developed others. Lots of them are posted on jboctan.org . You may find the arabic orthography interesting http://jbotcan.org/ideas/#629 . It can be fun to play around with different scripts, but the latin one is very dominant. On the other hand, they should all be bijective mappings of each other, so easy to display it however you want. Your other points I do not understand. mu'o mi'e ros On 3 July 2012 21:23, gleki wrote: > coi .ki'es.di'es. > mi'e la gleki > .i mi mutce gleki lo nu do jbobau cilre troci > .i xu do pu troci lo nu zbasu lo jbobau jufra > > .i ta'o .au do fanva la'o gy. The Reference Grammar gy. fi lo rabybau ca da > > On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 2:14:51 PM UTC+4, buro...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: >> >> coi >> >> some suggested ideas: >> >> (1) writing from right to left, where positive bodies in the nature >> revolove around itself from right to left, where positive is good and >> negative is evil "something from philosophy". >> >> (2) writing bridi lines from down to up of page, because from the >> politeing behaviour that something transcends and does not fall >> "something from philosophy". >> >> (3) we can add to optimal dictionary which I suggested before a >> literal meaning "not wrong". >> >> and we should add "persons names" from other languages dictionaries. >> >> (4) we can contain all posipilities, so we can contain all letters in >> the existence where there is two versions of letter light and heavy I >> suggest capital letter is heavy and small letter is light "e.g. >> lojban X and french r where french r can writen in small letter x, and >> lojban R and lojban r where R is like italian r and lojban r like >> english r" and so on... >> >> (5) I see not wrong if we use some special characters such as "? for >> asking and ! for wondering and - between compound words and , for >> quick stoping" "maybe add something to logical lojban connective". >> >> co'o >> ki'es-di'es > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/c0FVuTFkdvEJ. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --20cf30780cb6d52f1e04c3eb8abb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey ki'es.di'es

With regards to point (5), this has been dis= cussed. A scheme to use punctuation (characters like ? and ") to aid c= larity in texts can be found here
http://www.lojban.org/tiki/typography
This page also links to a discussion about using punctuation and also to a = table of listing what characters have what use.

The first two points= , (1) and (2), lojban can be written in many different ways. Each different= way is called a "mode" or "orthography". Normally we u= se the 'latin mode', but some people have developed others. Lots of= them are posted on jboctan.org . You ma= y find the arabic orthography interesting http://jbotcan.org/ideas/#629 . It can be fun to play around w= ith different scripts, but the latin one is very dominant. On the other han= d, they should all be bijective mappings of each other, so easy to display = it however you want.

Your other points I do not understand.

mu'o mi'e ros
=
On 3 July 2012 21:23, gleki <gleki= .is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
coi .ki'es.di'es.
mi'e la gl= eki
.i mi mutce gleki lo nu do jbobau cilre troci
.i xu d= o pu troci lo nu zbasu lo jbobau jufra

.i ta'o .au do fanva la'o gy. The Reference Grammar gy. fi lo r= abybau ca da

On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 = 2:14:51 PM UTC+4, = buro...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
coi

some suggested ideas:

(1) writing from right to left, where positive bodies in the nature
revolove around itself from right to left, where positive is good and
negative is evil "something from philosophy".

(2) writing bridi lines from down to up of page, because from the
politeing behaviour that something transcends and does not fall
"something from philosophy".

(3) we can add to optimal dictionary which I suggested before a
literal meaning "not wrong".

and we should add "persons names" from other languages dictio= naries.

(4) we can contain all posipilities, so we can contain all letters in
the existence where there is two versions of letter light and heavy I
suggest capital letter is heavy and small letter is light "e.g.
lojban X and french r where french r can writen in small letter x, and
lojban R and lojban r where R is like italian r and lojban r like
english r" and so on...

(5) I see not wrong if we use some special characters such as "? f= or
asking and ! for wondering and - between compound words and , for
quick stoping" "maybe add something to logical lojban connect= ive".

co'o
ki'es-di'es

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