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On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 3:57:25 PM UTC+4, .arpis. wrote:
>
> What about {zi'o preti ko'a ko'e ko'i fi'o danfu ko'o}; it has the right 
> places but in the wrong order.
>

That's right. I pay attention not to the order but to the general idea that 
parts of a solid phenomenon are usually within the same gismu. Modals and 
gismu often overlap with other gismu and I can replace sumti places with 
modals (like the famous "by standard" which has been recently mentioned in 
this mailing list). So needless to say that I'm comfortable with the 
current situation with preti/danfu. I just mean that {danfu} can't exist 
without {preti}, a question previously asked. And I mean that the division 
of preti and danfu is too naturalistic and probably reflect English 
semantics.


> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 5:40 AM, gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Everyone understands the power of lojban when several sumti are connected 
>> within 
>>
>> Currently I don't understand why the concepts of "question" and "answer" 
>> are not linked within one gismu.
>> danfu, preti, spuda... no solution.
>>
>> danfu - x1 is the answer/response/solution/[reply] to question/problem x2.
>> preti - x1 (quoted text) is a question/query about subject x2 by 
>> questioner x3 to audience x4.
>> spuda - x1 answers/replies to/responds to 
>> person/object/event/situation/stimulus x2 with response x3.
>>
>> I wish I could express something like
>> x1 questions someone x2 about x3 getting reply/answer x4
>>
>> Robin told me that currently we can say "mi spuda le nu do te preti mi le 
>> se du'u preti spuda kei kei dei"which isn't exactly compact.
>>
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<br><br>On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 3:57:25 PM UTC+4, .arpis. wrote:<blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: =
1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">What about {zi'o preti ko'a ko'e ko'i fi=
'o danfu ko'o}; it has the right places but in the wrong order.<br></blockq=
uote><div><br></div><div>That's right. I pay attention not to the order but=
 to the general idea that parts of a solid phenomenon are usually within th=
e same gismu. Modals and gismu often overlap with other gismu and I can rep=
lace sumti places with modals (like the famous "by standard" which has been=
 recently mentioned in this mailing list). So needless to say that I'm comf=
ortable with the current situation with preti/danfu. I just mean that {danf=
u} can't exist without {preti}, a question previously asked. And I mean tha=
t the division of preti and danfu is too naturalistic and probably reflect =
English semantics.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st=
yle=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-lef=
t: 1ex;"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 5:40 AM, gle=
ki <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Everyone understands the power of lojban whe=
n several sumti are connected within&nbsp;<br><div><br>Currently I don't un=
derstand why the concepts of "question" and "answer" are not linked within =
one gismu.</div>

<div>danfu, preti, spuda... no solution.<br><br><div>danfu - x1 is the answ=
er/response/solution/[<wbr>reply] to question/problem x2.</div><div>preti -=
&nbsp;x1 (quoted text) is a question/query about subject x2 by questioner x=
3 to audience x4.</div>

<div><div>spuda - x1 answers/replies to/responds to person/object/event/sit=
uation/<wbr>stimulus x2 with response x3.</div></div><div><br></div></div><=
div>I wish I could express something like</div><div>x1 questions someone x2=
&nbsp;about x3&nbsp;getting reply/answer x4</div>

<div><br></div><div>Robin told me that currently we can say "mi spuda le nu=
 do te preti mi le se du'u preti spuda kei kei dei"which&nbsp;isn't exactly=
 compact.</div><span><font color=3D"#888888">

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