Received: from mail-ey0-f189.google.com ([209.85.215.189]:34472) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Sm3k2-0003B6-2B; Tue, 03 Jul 2012 07:06:11 -0700 Received: by eaad14 with SMTP id d14sf4811560eaa.16 for ; Tue, 03 Jul 2012 07:06:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=criltxsSrHb/FKfuhfwtg3nloZlpN+1XLADPoxczDFw=; b=LFye8P0QXUIxnQ5el4as56U3eckYFGeBDUjX6INbf9fsbOnOpqeOVnz41zj+LUhUEv v8Q6xnsJ5b0hbIixU3/wXCMQejThYnltz7Pr39AAT1Vtc7fzatPnUrB7km0SoGfl+ZNa Irst/kOFy0e3b5miOMlQpvnvrQ+lW+HucZnrE= Received: by 10.205.133.208 with SMTP id hz16mr588057bkc.11.1341324362342; Tue, 03 Jul 2012 07:06:02 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.8.149 with SMTP id h21ls6518121bkh.3.gmail; Tue, 03 Jul 2012 07:06:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.152.23 with SMTP id e23mr1014018bkw.6.1341324360554; Tue, 03 Jul 2012 07:06:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.152.23 with SMTP id e23mr1014017bkw.6.1341324360461; Tue, 03 Jul 2012 07:06:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bk0-f51.google.com (mail-bk0-f51.google.com [209.85.214.51]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id iv15si4552574bkc.0.2012.07.03.07.06.00 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 03 Jul 2012 07:06:00 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.51 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.51; Received: by bkcjg15 with SMTP id jg15so4772795bkc.10 for ; Tue, 03 Jul 2012 07:06:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.148.161 with SMTP id tt1mr17964768lab.4.1341324358584; Tue, 03 Jul 2012 07:05:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.46.36 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 07:05:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <99dcfd96-6041-42b3-ac59-f798b260c537@googlegroups.com> References: <9df28d86-8a11-45fc-ae47-8da7c611481d@x21g2000vbc.googlegroups.com> <99dcfd96-6041-42b3-ac59-f798b260c537@googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 08:05:58 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Not for wrong to lojban but to improving lojban From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.51 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f22bb3dec093a04c3ed6939 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --e89a8f22bb3dec093a04c3ed6939 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'll agree that Lojban makes certain kinds of communication easier, but the intellectual capacity of an individual is not determined by language. Further, your reasoning is flawed for the simple reason that, there being no native speakers of Lojban- except Robin's twins, eventually- the mere fact that we were all raised in a different language than Lojban, and as such developed our relative intellectual prowess' in the environment of those languages, flies directly in the face of your statement. On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 7:44 AM, gleki wrote: > Whatever la .ki'es.di'es. writes here he has made the right decision to > join the Lojban community. pe'i no community in the world can be called > intellectual elite as I can say it about Lojbanistan cuz the others use > broken natural languages with their burden of broken semantics accumulated > during their long historical development. > > > On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 2:14:51 PM UTC+4, buro...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: > >> coi >> >> some suggested ideas: >> >> (1) writing from right to left, where positive bodies in the nature >> revolove around itself from right to left, where positive is good and >> negative is evil "something from philosophy". >> >> (2) writing bridi lines from down to up of page, because from the >> politeing behaviour that something transcends and does not fall >> "something from philosophy". >> >> (3) we can add to optimal dictionary which I suggested before a >> literal meaning "not wrong". >> >> and we should add "persons names" from other languages dictionaries. >> >> (4) we can contain all posipilities, so we can contain all letters in >> the existence where there is two versions of letter light and heavy I >> suggest capital letter is heavy and small letter is light "e.g. >> lojban X and french r where french r can writen in small letter x, and >> lojban R and lojban r where R is like italian r and lojban r like >> english r" and so on... >> >> (5) I see not wrong if we use some special characters such as "? for >> asking and ! for wondering and - between compound words and , for >> quick stoping" "maybe add something to logical lojban connective". >> >> co'o >> ki'es-di'es > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/eL2CiRJMva8J. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --e89a8f22bb3dec093a04c3ed6939 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'll agree that Lojban makes certain kinds of communication easier, but= the intellectual capacity of an individual is not determined by language. = Further, your reasoning is flawed for the simple reason that, there being n= o native speakers of Lojban- except Robin's twins, eventually- the mere= fact that we were all raised in a different language than Lojban, and as s= uch developed our relative intellectual prowess' in the environment of = those languages, flies directly in the face of your statement.

On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 7:44 AM, gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
Whatever la .ki'es.di'es. writes here he has made the right decisio= n to join the Lojban community. pe'i no community in the world can be c= alled intellectual elite as I can say it about Lojbanistan cuz the others u= se broken natural languages with their burden of broken semantics accumulat= ed during their long historical development.


On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 2:14:51 PM UTC+4, buro...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
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coi

some suggested ideas:

(1) writing from right to left, where positive bodies in the nature
revolove around itself from right to left, where positive is good and
negative is evil "something from philosophy".

(2) writing bridi lines from down to up of page, because from the
politeing behaviour that something transcends and does not fall
"something from philosophy".

(3) we can add to optimal dictionary which I suggested before a
literal meaning "not wrong".

and we should add "persons names" from other languages dictio= naries.

(4) we can contain all posipilities, so we can contain all letters in
the existence where there is two versions of letter light and heavy I
suggest capital letter is heavy and small letter is light "e.g.
lojban X and french r where french r can writen in small letter x, and
lojban R and lojban r where R is like italian r and lojban r like
english r" and so on...

(5) I see not wrong if we use some special characters such as "? f= or
asking and ! for wondering and - between compound words and , for
quick stoping" "maybe add something to logical lojban connect= ive".

co'o
ki'es-di'es

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