Received: from mail-yw0-f57.google.com ([209.85.213.57]:62584) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Smpls-0000B4-HP; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 10:23:22 -0700 Received: by yhr47 with SMTP id 47sf9944967yhr.12 for ; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 10:23:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:mime-version:user-agent:sender:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=opmZDvSbAUYkULuk/naE2M/XzjIrcuD9x/Kkx5VaRGs=; b=bPKztzA7MrJvIMP8cjc1I5fT8+tvwAJpTj7ztMa/lXkP0kIfSLTCIXNFfniyN0951m 6dS5fJHiLLkalwhssEORkunSc3FUvY1ADrOsKylQZmEF7qu7BO5ohovf7fTOtH8gdOUB LDFPMLiaqRNHvFHVMwsS6wpM8qLBRqRX6aK/g= Received: by 10.68.232.230 with SMTP id tr6mr1568990pbc.16.1341508989892; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 10:23:09 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.211.194 with SMTP id ne2ls601643pbc.9.gmail; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 10:23:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.219.170 with SMTP id pp10mr10380593pbc.1.1341508989309; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 10:23:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.219.170 with SMTP id pp10mr10380589pbc.1.1341508989198; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 10:23:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stodi.digitalkingdom.org (mail.digitalkingdom.org. [173.13.139.236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ir9si1859503pbc.1.2012.07.05.10.23.09 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 05 Jul 2012 10:23:09 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nobody@stodi.digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.236; Received: from nobody by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Smplk-0000Ax-2B for lojban@googlegroups.com; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 10:23:08 -0700 Received: from rlpowell by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Smplj-0000Ao-OZ for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 10:23:07 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 10:23:07 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] baby words: position/shape, or something. Message-ID: <20120705172307.GC4293@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nobody@stodi.digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nobody@stodi.digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / The sentiment was "Yay! You changed position from sitting to crawling! Well done!", and I just got completely stuck; how do we talk about the difference between a person sitting and a person crawling? Or the difference between a convertible with the top up or the top down? Or the options for a Transformer toy? That is: changes in the position of the parts of an object that change nothing intrinsic about it? I've run into this a bunch of time when wanting to talk about them thrashing around and stuff, but I've cheated and used sutff like "desk" and "dansu", but that's not going to cut the mustard here. Help? -Robin -- http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u .e lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakni li'u -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.