Received: from mail-qc0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]:63340) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Smq5l-0000NN-Rx; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 10:44:02 -0700 Received: by qcac11 with SMTP id c11sf7912239qca.16 for ; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 10:43:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=66ciQFBi7xHWSgxnFVaUWdrNEl+vGqQ1tNJrVJdoXQk=; b=SAQn/7zGh7yXsBaTyA6VdSI7hua4+T+RtY6Gv8lmVKDZDp9BGs/pJDRXGSrXvrHMkO UgrWgB1HsEiVBZsQASN4ADj+GnZc/4ENw4R7A/Hr1R/Uqpto8zSWv8pDTo0yDAZ5H6+q tu5icMp+B+gNDQ7NWJ4Y+IBgN6MiSIh8JiH2w= Received: by 10.236.161.135 with SMTP id w7mr3795129yhk.18.1341510223217; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 10:43:43 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.236.120.18 with SMTP id o18ls7219640yhh.0.gmail; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 10:43:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.83.111 with SMTP id p75mr25922019yhe.5.1341510222745; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 10:43:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.83.111 with SMTP id p75mr25922018yhe.5.1341510222728; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 10:43:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gh0-f181.google.com (mail-gh0-f181.google.com [209.85.160.181]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u67si807026yhi.7.2012.07.05.10.43.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 05 Jul 2012 10:43:42 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.181 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.160.181; Received: by mail-gh0-f181.google.com with SMTP id z13so10016631ghb.26 for ; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 10:43:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.222.170 with SMTP id qn10mr442879igc.45.1341510222544; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 10:43:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.64.30.68 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 10:43:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120705172307.GC4293@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> References: <20120705172307.GC4293@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> From: MorphemeAddict Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 13:43:22 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] baby words: position/shape, or something. To: lojban@googlegroups.com, lojban-list@lojban.org X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.181 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae934111146fd5d04c418b05f X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --14dae934111146fd5d04c418b05f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Robin Lee Powell < rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > > The sentiment was "Yay! You changed position from sitting to > crawling! Well done!", and I just got completely stuck; how do we > talk about the difference between a person sitting and a person > crawling? Or the difference between a convertible with the top up > or the top down? Or the options for a Transformer toy? > Instead of describing the change in state, just say the old state, then the new one: "You were sitting, now you're crawling." "Freeze!" (Oops, that's not the same thing. Just free-associating...) stevo > > That is: changes in the position of the parts of an object that > change nothing intrinsic about it? I've run into this a bunch of > time when wanting to talk about them thrashing around and stuff, but > I've cheated and used sutff like "desk" and "dansu", but that's not > going to cut the mustard here. > > Help? > > -Robin > > -- > http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. > .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u .e > lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e > lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakni > li'u > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Robin Le= e Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
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The sentiment was "Yay! You changed position from sitting to
crawling! =A0Well done!", and I just got completely stuck; how do we talk about the difference between a person sitting and a person
crawling? =A0Or the difference between a convertible with the top up
or the top down? =A0Or the options for a Transformer toy?
<= div>
Instead of describing the change in state, just say the = old state, then the new one:
"You were sitting, now you'= re crawling."

"Freeze!" (Oops, that's not the same thin= g. Just free-associating...)

stevo

That is: changes in the position of the parts of an object that
change nothing intrinsic about it? =A0I've run into this a bunch of
time when wanting to talk about them thrashing around and stuff, but
I've cheated and used sutff like "desk" and "dansu"= , but that's not
going to cut the mustard here.

Help?

-Robin

--
http://singinst.org/= : =A0Our last, best hope for a fantastic future.
.i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u = .e
lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e = lu go'i na'i li'u .e
lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mam= ta be do cu sofybakni li'u

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