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On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 06:55:20PM -0400, Robert LeChevalier wrote:
> Robin Lee Powell wrote:
> >On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 11:39:57AM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> >>I'm honestly surprised that 1) we don't have a gismu for this
> >>concept, and 2) that no one's really noticed it until recently.
> >>I would think this concept would be a well-used one.
> >
> >That's starting to be my feeling as well; I think it deserves a
> >gismu.
> 
> The easy answer to "does it deserve a gismu" is :  Does any
> language (and in particular our source languages) express this
> concept in a single word?  If not, then it is hard to claim that
> it is so basic a concept as to warrant one.

I would be very surprised if you could find a language that *didn't*
have a word like English's "position" in "you changed position!".
Did you have some in mind?

> As for the concept, Nora suggests "stura"
> (structure/arrangement/organization) or "morna" (another
> expression of pattern/arrangement), or even ciste which talks
> about an arrangement of elements, to which I will add "tcini"
> (which includes position) - whichever is used, one "binxo"s that
> position/state.

{stura} is decent for this.  I don't understand morna at all.
{ciste} is not bad.  {tcini} seems far too general.

> The action taken in assuming a new form or position is probably
> some form of polje or tcena.

*nod*  I use {tcena} a lot; I'd not been using {polje}, and I
probably should be.

> I always thought of crawling as horizontal clambering "cpare" (and
> had this in mind when defining the gismu), so assuming the
> crawling position would be "pinparturbi'o (with other
> possibilities for the third element per above).

I agree WRT cpare.

-Robin

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