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[68.230.241.214]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id z30si2026236qcd.3.2012.07.06.13.49.47; Fri, 06 Jul 2012 13:49:47 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 68.230.241.214 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) client-ip=68.230.241.214; Received: from eastrmimpo306.cox.net ([68.230.241.238]) by eastrmfepo102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20120706204947.DZQD26743.eastrmfepo102.cox.net@eastrmimpo306.cox.net> for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2012 16:49:47 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.101] ([70.187.237.100]) by eastrmimpo306.cox.net with bizsmtp id X8pm1j00p2AfMYu028pnTh; Fri, 06 Jul 2012 16:49:47 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020206.4FF74F6B.0051,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=lR4ZvCW7HH2AmT/MrKSgFRfV9rO+LBlED2yZpX9VLDQ= c=1 sm=1 a=YsUzL_8ObRgA:10 a=GfOG5xtmdQIA:10 a=xmHE3fpoGJwA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=MQZuvjT3xUZLKv0gclfWMg==:17 a=T8YnY8Lo2L6cGIU8DjIA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=MQZuvjT3xUZLKv0gclfWMg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <4FF74F07.1000403@lojban.org> Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2012 16:48:07 -0400 From: Robert LeChevalier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Baby words: soft to the touch. References: <20120706193325.GJ3566@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <4FF7412E.6040903@gmx.de> <20120706200305.GK3566@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <20120706202242.GL3566@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> In-Reply-To: <20120706202242.GL3566@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> X-Original-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 68.230.241.214 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) smtp.mail=lojbab@lojban.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Robin Lee Powell wrote: > You know, it may be that what I actually want is {pluka tengu}? > > Because English calls both silk and velvet "soft", and thinking > about what that actually *means*, I think it may just mean "pleasent > to touch". Using my Google Translate trick mentioned earlier, other than the fabric=20 words, the common adjectival concept seems to be "gentle" or "mild"=20 (milxe). Alternatively, "silky" (silka), and "delicate" (ralci) show up: Russian: > =D0=BC=D1=8F=D0=B3=D0=BA=D0=BE=D1=81=D1=82=D1=8C softness, gentleness, m= ildness, leniency, lenience, velvet > =D0=B1=D0=B0=D1=80=D1=85=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=B8=D1=81=D1=82=D1=8B=D0=B9 velvet= y, velvet, silky, round French: > velout=C3=A9 velvety, velvet, mellow, downy, on velvet Hindi: > =E0=A4=AE=E0=A4=96=E0=A4=BC=E0=A4=AE=E0=A4=B2=E0=A5=80 velvety, velvet, s= oft, delicate Chinese is an interesting one, equating velvet with "wool of sheep",=20 suggesting that they think of the concept in terms of being pelt-like.=20 I don't think of wool as "velvety" or "silky", but rather as scratchy,=20 almost the opposite, thus suggesting "nalsraku". So I guess it all depends on what one means by "velvety" %^) lojbab --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.