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On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 10:45 PM, la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>wrote:

>
>
> On Saturday, July 7, 2012 12:51:13 AM UTC+4, stevo wrote:
>>
>> To return to the original question, I would like a new version of
>> Loglan/Lojban that fixed the perceived problems associated with those two
>> languages.
>
> What are the problems perceived by you?
>

I would redo the entire vocabulary, eliminate rafsi or at least regularize
the means for lujvo creation, simplify the grammar a lot. RPN, mentioned in
a recent post, appeals to me. I like the simple grammar of Rick Morneau's
Latejami.
Many of the issues of Lojban's faults are beyond me: scoping issues,
variables, prenexes. I'd like it to be more like math notation.

 I don't know what my solution would look like (well, I have a version, but
>> it's only a relex of the gismu, so I don't normally count it).
>> And the sooner the better.
>>
> Who can do that if not those interested in loccan3? :)
>

I doubt anyone would do it if he wasn't interested in the result. And the
defects of Lojban are best determined by fluent speakers. So until there is
a community that can debate the issue in fluent Lojban, it probably
shouldn't happen.

stevo

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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 10:45 PM, la glek=
i <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" targe=
t=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc sol=
id;padding-left:1ex">

<div class=3D"im"><br><br>On Saturday, July 7, 2012 12:51:13 AM UTC+4, stev=
o wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8=
ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">To return to the original q=
uestion, I would like a new version of Loglan/Lojban that fixed the perceiv=
ed problems associated with those two languages.</blockquote>

</div><div>What are the problems perceived by you?=A0</div></blockquote><di=
v><br></div><div>I would redo the entire vocabulary, eliminate rafsi or at =
least regularize the means for lujvo creation, simplify the grammar a lot. =
RPN, mentioned in a recent post, appeals to me. I like the simple grammar o=
f Rick Morneau&#39;s Latejami.=A0</div>

<div>Many of the issues of Lojban&#39;s faults are beyond me: scoping issue=
s, variables, prenexes. I&#39;d like it to be more like math notation.=A0</=
div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div class=3D"im"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margi=
n-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> I don&#39;t know=
 what my solution would look like (well, I have a version, but it&#39;s onl=
y a relex of the gismu, so I don&#39;t normally count it).=A0<div>



And the sooner the better.</div></blockquote></div><div>Who can do that if =
not those interested in loccan3? :)</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I=
 doubt anyone would do it if he wasn&#39;t interested in the result. And th=
e defects of Lojban are best determined by fluent speakers. So until there =
is a community that can debate the issue in fluent Lojban, it probably shou=
ldn&#39;t happen.=A0</div>

<div><br></div><div>stevo</div></div>

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