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Untimely request from me (as it's bazi jbonunsla now).

Guys currently in San Mateo, please discuss la xorxes's proposals 
<https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/lojban/ExtEumbYoQg>once 
again. Make connectives easier to use and learn until there we get  many 
more lojbanists. It would be too late to fix anything then.

On Saturday, July 7, 2012 7:05:14 AM UTC+4, stevo wrote:
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 10:45 PM, la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, July 7, 2012 12:51:13 AM UTC+4, stevo wrote:
>>>
>>> To return to the original question, I would like a new version of 
>>> Loglan/Lojban that fixed the perceived problems associated with those two 
>>> languages.
>>
>> What are the problems perceived by you? 
>>
>
> I would redo the entire vocabulary, eliminate rafsi or at least regularize 
> the means for lujvo creation, simplify the grammar a lot. RPN, mentioned in 
> a recent post, appeals to me. I like the simple grammar of Rick Morneau's 
> Latejami. 
> Many of the issues of Lojban's faults are beyond me: scoping issues, 
> variables, prenexes. I'd like it to be more like math notation. 
>
>  I don't know what my solution would look like (well, I have a version, 
>>> but it's only a relex of the gismu, so I don't normally count it). 
>>> And the sooner the better.
>>>
>> Who can do that if not those interested in loccan3? :)
>>
>
> I doubt anyone would do it if he wasn't interested in the result. And the 
> defects of Lojban are best determined by fluent speakers. So until there is 
> a community that can debate the issue in fluent Lojban, it probably 
> shouldn't happen. 
>
> stevo
>

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Untimely request from me (as it's bazi jbonunsla now).<div><br></div><div>G=
uys currently in San Mateo, please discuss la xorxes's <a href=3D"https://g=
roups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/lojban/ExtEumbYoQg">proposals </a=
>once again. Make connectives easier to use and learn until there we get &n=
bsp;many more lojbanists. It would be too late to fix anything then.<br><br=
>On Saturday, July 7, 2012 7:05:14 AM UTC+4, stevo wrote:<blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #cc=
c solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul =
6, 2012 at 10:45 PM, la gleki <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gleki=
.is.my.name@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com</a>&gt;=
</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .=
8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div><br><br>On Saturday, July 7, 2012 12:51:13 AM UTC+4, stevo wrote:<bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-lef=
t:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">To return to the original question, I wo=
uld like a new version of Loglan/Lojban that fixed the perceived problems a=
ssociated with those two languages.</blockquote>

</div><div>What are the problems perceived by you?&nbsp;</div></blockquote>=
<div><br></div><div>I would redo the entire vocabulary, eliminate rafsi or =
at least regularize the means for lujvo creation, simplify the grammar a lo=
t. RPN, mentioned in a recent post, appeals to me. I like the simple gramma=
r of Rick Morneau's Latejami.&nbsp;</div>

<div>Many of the issues of Lojban's faults are beyond me: scoping issues, v=
ariables, prenexes. I'd like it to be more like math notation.&nbsp;</div><=
div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;=
border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;=
border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> I don't know what my solution=
 would look like (well, I have a version, but it's only a relex of the gism=
u, so I don't normally count it).&nbsp;<div>



And the sooner the better.</div></blockquote></div><div>Who can do that if =
not those interested in loccan3? :)</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I=
 doubt anyone would do it if he wasn't interested in the result. And the de=
fects of Lojban are best determined by fluent speakers. So until there is a=
 community that can debate the issue in fluent Lojban, it probably shouldn'=
t happen.&nbsp;</div>

<div><br></div><div>stevo</div></div>
</blockquote></div>

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