On 7 July 2012 07:50, la .lindar. <lindarthebard@gm= ail.com> wrote:

Guys currently in= San Mateo, please discuss la xorxes's proposa= ls once again. Make connectives easier to use and learn until there we = get =A0many more lojbanists. It would be too late to fix anything then.

While it is, as of right now, ultimately the deci= sion of Robin Powell, I will, as a member of the BPFK, will not approve the= revision I think you're talking about (making jeks work the same place= eks work) and will loudly voice my opinion against it. I think it's a = horrible idea and removes the conciseness of the language as it stands. The= re's no reason to remove eks and I don't think it's that bloody= difficult to learn all of the connectors.

I had a look at the "mad" propos= als, and in my opinion they don't seem mad at all and would make the la= nguage much more concise than the present form is. I'd make one more si= mplification, i.e., use only GI as a connective medial. The PEG version of = the Lojban grammar is slightly more permissive than the old YACC version wa= s and allows a few more KU's to be elided thus removing the YACC derive= d extra KU problem mentioned in the proposal.

With the additional GI change to the proposal, the PEG = grammar can be modified to accept both usage versions without breaking any = old texts which now pass the parser (all old text don't pass, BTW.) The= minimum change affects only four rules in the BEG, and the resulting parse= r gives an identical parse for Alice compared to the one produced by my unm= odified parser.

This kind of change would keep the underlying grammar i= dentical (except for the ortogonalization of the tanru connectives), only s= ome surface details would change. This would be a much smaller change than = xorlo, which was rather a fundamental change and, e.g., for me much more di= fficult to stomach than these "mad" proposals, which are more aki= n to normal, fluid, living language evolution a streamlining but a very con= trolled one compared to the phenomena in natural language evolution.=A0

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