Received: from mail-vc0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]:53439) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Snxg4-0000g6-17; Sun, 08 Jul 2012 13:02:01 -0700 Received: by vcbfo14 with SMTP id fo14sf12920843vcb.16 for ; Sun, 08 Jul 2012 13:01:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=nmNhd+KIKQIAH0krlh1BpoIRSoojZyX7uZDs4x1yHcM=; b=d6kqpKsUc7GGxy2YrQA6lx1sTUE8t78jCGem6c7qJkn7X0vGvvfYgMaf4mfGUWgTRU PsBcn6QQpP6FJLGfjN5Lb+aTYyhmg4nSxi9J0vs7iZZKcWueK/VL021bbgIL82UvCD/M L+aW/5xercTSM1HlVdZTqtS7lRnLUGfDp6ma4= Received: by 10.50.202.38 with SMTP id kf6mr978896igc.0.1341777709351; Sun, 08 Jul 2012 13:01:49 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.71.218 with SMTP id i26ls11635418ibj.5.gmail; Sun, 08 Jul 2012 13:01:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.158.230 with SMTP id wx6mr7818734igb.0.1341777708552; Sun, 08 Jul 2012 13:01:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.158.230 with SMTP id wx6mr7818733igb.0.1341777708539; Sun, 08 Jul 2012 13:01:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-f176.google.com (mail-ob0-f176.google.com [209.85.214.176]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id rd6si2633963igb.2.2012.07.08.13.01.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 08 Jul 2012 13:01:48 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.176 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.176; Received: by obbtb18 with SMTP id tb18so14789487obb.21 for ; Sun, 08 Jul 2012 13:01:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.25.6 with SMTP id y6mr39700889oef.42.1341777708159; Sun, 08 Jul 2012 13:01:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.182.17.97 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Jul 2012 13:01:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <67b096cb-a90c-49f0-ab05-94e72b67cbfb@a16g2000vby.googlegroups.com> References: <67b096cb-a90c-49f0-ab05-94e72b67cbfb@a16g2000vby.googlegroups.com> From: ".arpis." Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 16:01:27 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: 'Solve & coagula' in lojban? To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.176 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8fb1eef2a9915a04c456f709 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --e89a8fb1eef2a9915a04c456f709 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 You choose freely between -sei- and -sep- (and -sepl- and -sepli-, since all gismu have themselves and their first four letters as rafsi), but if your first rafsi ends in a vowel, you need to put a buffer consonant (in this case "r") after it; the first five letters of a lujvo must contain a consecutive pair of consonants. So {seirjo'e} and {sepyjo'e} are valid, but {seijo'e} is not. On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Kosmaton wrote: > Thank you for the extra explanations, stevo and remod! > > I just had another look around jbovlaste, and perhaps the imbalance > between the structure of {fendi} and that of {jorne} can be removed by > substituting {sepli} for {fendi}? > > {jorne} : x1 is joined to/connects to/is united with x2 at common > locus x3; x1 and x2 are a union > {sepli}: x1 is apart/separate from x2, separated by partition/wall/gap/ > interval/separating medium x3 > > Those seem balanced opposites to me. > > So, {la seijo'e}? At {sepli} the listed rafsi are {sep} and {sei} -- I > find {sei} sounds better, but can one choose freely? Are there again > morphological additions to be made? > > cheers > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- mu'o mi'e .arpis. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --e89a8fb1eef2a9915a04c456f709 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You choose freely between -sei- and -sep- (and -sepl- and -sepli-, since al= l gismu have themselves and their first four letters as rafsi), but if your= first rafsi ends in a vowel, you need to put a buffer consonant (in this c= ase "r") after it; the first five letters of a lujvo must contain= a consecutive pair of consonants.

So {seirjo'e} and {sepyjo'e} are valid, but {seijo'e} is no= t.

On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Kosmat= on <Kosmaton@gmx.com> wrote:
Thank you for the extra explanations, stevo = and remod!

I just had another look around jbovlaste, and perhaps the imbalance
between the structure of {fendi} and that of {jorne} can be removed by
substituting {sepli} for {fendi}?

{jorne} : x1 is joined to/connects to/is united with x2 at common
locus x3; x1 and x2 are a union
{sepli}: x1 is apart/separate from x2, separated by partition/wall/gap/
interval/separating medium x3

Those seem balanced opposites to me.

So, {la seijo'e}? At {sepli} the listed rafsi are {sep} and {sei} -- I<= br> find {sei} sounds better, but can one choose freely? Are there again
morphological additions to be made?

cheers

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