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[87.194.76.177]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e45sm88001302eeb.6.2012.07.08.13.19.04 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 08 Jul 2012 13:19:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FF9EB38.4010509@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2012 21:19:04 +0100 From: And Rosta User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.28) Gecko/20120306 Thunderbird/3.1.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Is there any demand for LoCCan3? References: <90a7e54c-42fe-4ee0-9693-8155db9a7646@googlegroups.com> <62818d3a-c188-43d5-ad25-09c4cc9aca6c@googlegroups.com> <1341252212.22198.YahooMailNeo@web184415.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4FF20621.1090100@lojban.org> <1341333405.7836.YahooMailNeo@web184416.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4FF74E66.1020605@gmail.com> <1341623300.76687.YahooMailNeo@web184406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1341623300.76687.YahooMailNeo@web184406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> X-Original-Sender: and.rosta@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of and.rosta@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.49 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=and.rosta@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / John E Clifford, On 07/07/2012 02:08: > I do think there can be incremental improvements within Lojban toward > a viable spoken FOL, guaranteed accurate, and not so prolix as to be > unusable (people do use German after all, when English is available > -- and Chinese). Yes, there could be incremental improvements, but you'd end up with somethi= ng looking nothing like its evolutionary ancestor. And really it would be f= ar easier to start from scratch than to try to get by incremental steps to = a solution that is hard enough to attain even if you were to start from scr= atch. I should clarify, that I'm not just thinking about how to make typical Lojb= an sentences conciser. Rather, I'm imagining a system in which there is no = concision gain in filling a place with zo'e than with something explicit an= d not relying on glorking. Ideally, a system where the co-filled status of = a group of co-filled argument places is shown by a more economical method t= han simply sticking the same variable in each place overtly. --And. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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