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On Sunday, July 8, 2012 11:31:30 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote:
>
> I would prefer we didn't have another split, myself. We have Loglan, 
> Lojban, Gua/Spi, Ithkuil, and possibly other much less known derivatives 
> already. Every time someone decides to start a new lojbau, everyone 
> suffers. And regardless of what problems your chosen lojbau is, it isn't 
> perfect. It never will be. Dividing our efforts just makes it so that the 
> true goal of all these languages- to be /spoken/ by /people/- will never be 
> accomplished.
>
> The quest for perfection is a futile one. What we have with Lojban now is 
> good. Granted, it could be better, but that will always be true. It was 
> true of "LoCCan1", it's true of "LoCCan2", and it will be true of 
> "LoCCan34234234234". Starting over from scratch isn't the solution. Yes, 
> you may be able to make a new lojbau that doesn't have the problems you 
> perceive in "LoCCanN-1", but by making it, you create a new divide.
>
> If we want jbogugde to exist, if we want people to speak our language- 
> whichever one we decide on- then what we need to do is not to make a new 
> one whenever we see problems. We need to either find an acceptable solution 
> /within/ our language, or we need to /deal with it/.
>
> French is the third largest language on the internet. How many people do 
> you think would bother to learn French if every region had their own, 
> mutually incompatible dialects? Would English be nearly as pervasive as it 
> is if British, Australian, South African, and U.S. English speakers 
> couldn't understand each other?
>
> To quote a rather famous saying, "Divided we fall, united we stand". I 
> view LoCCan3, and any other split, as the worst possible thing that could 
> happen to us as a whole.
>
> On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 12:44 PM, la .lindar. <lindarthebard@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Curious...
>>
>> Why not just make it already?
>> Quit talking and just do it. >_>
>>
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>
>
> -- 
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
>
>
pe'isai For me proposals like xorxes's proposal for connectives are 
acceptable.
pe'isai And Rosta's is not (mere relexing is even less acceptable). But 
I'll study it anyway if ey publishes it.

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<br><br>On Sunday, July 8, 2012 11:31:30 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote:<blockquote=
 class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1=
px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">I would prefer we didn't have another spl=
it, myself. We have Loglan, Lojban, Gua/Spi, Ithkuil, and possibly other mu=
ch less known derivatives already. Every time someone decides to start a ne=
w lojbau, everyone suffers. And regardless of what problems your chosen loj=
bau is, it isn't perfect. It never will be. Dividing our efforts just makes=
 it so that the true goal of all these languages- to be /spoken/ by /people=
/- will never be accomplished.<br>
<br>The quest for perfection is a futile one. What we have with Lojban now =
is good. Granted, it could be better, but that will always be true. It was =
true of "LoCCan1", it's true of "LoCCan2", and it will be true of "LoCCan34=
234234234". Starting over from scratch isn't the solution. Yes, you may be =
able to make a new lojbau that doesn't have the problems you perceive in "L=
oCCanN-1", but by making it, you create a new divide.<br>
<br>If we want jbogugde to exist, if we want people to speak our language- =
whichever one we decide on- then what we need to do is not to make a new on=
e whenever we see problems. We need to either find an acceptable solution /=
within/ our language, or we need to /deal with it/.<br>
<br>French is the third largest language on the internet. How many people d=
o you think would bother to learn French if every region had their own, mut=
ually incompatible dialects? Would English be nearly as pervasive as it is =
if British, Australian, South African, and U.S. English speakers couldn't u=
nderstand each other?<br>
<br>To quote a rather famous saying, "Divided we fall, united we stand". I =
view LoCCan3, and any other split, as the worst possible thing that could h=
appen to us as a whole.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 8, 20=
12 at 12:44 PM, la .lindar. <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lindart=
hebard@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">lindarthebard@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> =
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Curious...<div><br></div><div>Why not just m=
ake it already?</div><div>Quit talking and just do it. &gt;_&gt;</div><div>


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</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mu'o mi'e .=
aionys.<br><br>.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu=
 do zo'o<br>(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>pe'isai For me proposals like xorxes's=
 proposal for connectives are acceptable.</div><div>pe'isai&nbsp;And Rosta'=
s is not (mere relexing is even less acceptable). But I'll study it anyway =
if ey publishes it.</div>

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