On Mon, = Jul 9, 2012 at 12:32 AM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> = wrote:

Ithkuil is not a Loglan derivative, indeed i= t's not even a loglang, although it is an engelang. And Ithkuil was nev= er meant to be spoken by anyone. It's a proof-of-concept project.=A0

For myself, if Lojban (or even Loglan) is 'good enough&#= 39;, then so is any natlang. I'd rather start from scratch, using knowl= edge gained from previous attempts, than continue learning or using a langu= age that is merely 'good enough'.=A0

stevo

= On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 1:11 AM, la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.= com> wrote:

On Sunday, July 8, 2012 11:31:3= 0 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote:
I would prefer we didn't have another split, myself. We have Loglan, Lo= jban, Gua/Spi, Ithkuil, and possibly other much less known derivatives alre= ady. Every time someone decides to start a new lojbau, everyone suffers. An= d regardless of what problems your chosen lojbau is, it isn't perfect. = It never will be. Dividing our efforts just makes it so that the true goal = of all these languages- to be /spoken/ by /people/- will never be accomplis= hed.

The quest for perfection is a futile one. What we have with Lojban now = is good. Granted, it could be better, but that will always be true. It was = true of "LoCCan1", it's true of "LoCCan2", and it w= ill be true of "LoCCan34234234234". Starting over from scratch is= n't the solution. Yes, you may be able to make a new lojbau that doesn&= #39;t have the problems you perceive in "LoCCanN-1", but by makin= g it, you create a new divide.

If we want jbogugde to exist, if we want people to speak our language- = whichever one we decide on- then what we need to do is not to make a new on= e whenever we see problems. We need to either find an acceptable solution /= within/ our language, or we need to /deal with it/.

French is the third largest language on the internet. How many people d= o you think would bother to learn French if every region had their own, mut= ually incompatible dialects? Would English be nearly as pervasive as it is = if British, Australian, South African, and U.S. English speakers couldn'= ;t understand each other?

To quote a rather famous saying, "Divided we fall, united we stand= ". I view LoCCan3, and any other split, as the worst possible thing th= at could happen to us as a whole.

On Sun,= Jul 8, 2012 at 12:44 PM, la .lindar. <lindarthebard@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:

Curious...

Why not just m= ake it already?
Quit talking and just do it. >_>

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