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[80.192.151.130]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z16sm45267425eef.16.2012.07.10.12.26.37 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 10 Jul 2012 12:26:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FFC81EB.2060502@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 20:26:35 +0100 From: And Rosta User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.28) Gecko/20120306 Thunderbird/3.1.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Is there any demand for LoCCan3? References: <90a7e54c-42fe-4ee0-9693-8155db9a7646@googlegroups.com> <9aee28ed-4b47-4f34-a377-92e8c3a33bdc@googlegroups.com> <4FFC7C3C.8090705@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: and.rosta@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of and.rosta@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.172 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=and.rosta@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Co-filled argument places are argument-places that have the same value, e.g= . in "Fx & Gx", the sole argument places of F and of G are co-filled. Lojba= n avoids the verbosity of filling every place by giving speakers the option= of not encoding it (and implicitly or explicitly filling the place with zo= 'e). I googled "categorical dual", but couldn't see any relevance to this d= iscussion. .arpis., On 10/07/2012 20:14: > What the heck is a "co-filled argument place" and does it have anything t= o do with a categorical dual? > > On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 3:02 PM, And Rosta > wrote: > > la gleki, On 09/07/2012 06:08: > > > > On Sunday, July 8, 2012 10:44:50 PM UTC+4, la .lindar. wrote: > > Curious... > > Why not just make it already? > Quit talking and just do it. >_> > > > Indeed. And Rosta, please present something. > > > Alas, Gleki, it is on my list of projects, but with relatively low pr= iority on that list. Specifically, there are two relevant projects: one is = an essay describing a possible solution to the core problem of loglangs (na= mely, representation of co-filled argument places); the other is an essay d= escribing a modular approach to the creation of a logical language. The sec= ond is not stunningly original, but might serve to frame and focus any coll= aborative effort that ever emerges. As for the first, I'm not convinced the= solution is processable by the human language faculty, and the problem may= instead remain unsolved; I suppose publishing it might spur others to seek= better solutions, but shortage of time for publishing one's projects is th= e bane of my life. > > I could sit down and jot down in an email a sketch of something paten= tly better as a loglang than Lojban, but the only worthwhile loglang is the= one that cracks that fundamental problem of ergonomically representing co-= filled argument places; without that, any other incremental improvement to = Lojban has lost its appeal to me. > > --And. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Gr= oups "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@ goo= glegroups.com . > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/ group= /lojban?hl=3Den . > > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .arpis. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegr= oups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an?hl=3Den. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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