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As far as I can figure from the limited information, &'s language differs f=
rom Logjam in two significant respects.

1. Instead of a predicate with various arguments dripping from it, the core=
 utterance is an argument (topic, say) with dangling predicates (comments -=
- not the standard usage quite but Logjam is not famous for following prece=
dents in terminology). This is a feasible structure, easily realized in two=
 (and simply in three) dimensions, without anaphora.=A0 The case of existen=
tial graphs and general topological considerations, however, suggest that a=
naphora will be needed in one-dimensional speech.=A0 The usual problems wit=
h that are simplified by the canonical location of topics.=A0 Multiple topi=
cs increase the complexity of this but not its basic simplicity.=A0 Comment=
s come and go (naturally) while topics run on and on (and so are always ava=
ilable for connection).
2.=A0 Comments have no inherent places, which need to be filled implicitly =
when not explicitly, but have only those which are explicitly filled.=A0 Th=
is means, apparently, that the nature of the connection of a comment to its=
 topic has to be specified in (almost) every case, an added nuisance in spe=
ech but probably a simplification in learning (and possible a reduction in =
the need for compounds, many of which are just to add a place to an existin=
g predicate or rearrange those places).=A0 The bareness of comments means t=
hat comment words can be raised to topics directly to do business as proper=
ties or events, without a lot of extra detail.=A0=20

These points are too sketchy to give any notion of the relative size, ease =
or clarity of an &lang as here conceived, but at least it looks feasible so=
 far.


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mes new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>As far as =
I can figure from the limited information, &amp;'s language differs from Lo=
gjam in two significant respects.<br></span></div><div>1. Instead of a pred=
icate with various arguments dripping from it, the core utterance is an arg=
ument (topic, say) with dangling predicates (comments -- not the standard u=
sage quite but Logjam is not famous for following precedents in terminology=
). This is a feasible structure, easily realized in two (and simply in thre=
e) dimensions, without anaphora.&nbsp; The case of existential graphs and g=
eneral topological considerations, however, suggest that anaphora will be n=
eeded in one-dimensional speech.&nbsp; The usual problems with that are sim=
plified by the canonical location of topics.&nbsp; Multiple topics increase=
 the complexity of this but not its basic simplicity.&nbsp; Comments
 come and go (naturally) while topics run on and on (and so are always avai=
lable for connection).</div><div>2.&nbsp; Comments have no inherent places,=
 which need to be filled implicitly when not explicitly, but have only thos=
e which are explicitly filled.&nbsp; This means, apparently, that the natur=
e of the connection of a comment to its topic has to be specified in (almos=
t) every case, an added nuisance in speech but probably a simplification in=
 learning (and possible a reduction in the need for compounds, many of whic=
h are just to add a place to an existing predicate or rearrange those place=
s).&nbsp; The bareness of comments means that comment words can be raised t=
o topics directly to do business as properties or events, without a lot of =
extra detail.&nbsp; <br></div><div>These points are too sketchy to give any=
 notion of the relative size, ease or clarity of an &amp;lang as here conce=
ived, but at least it looks feasible so far.<br></div>  <div
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