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For one thing, you don't want to be using me'o at all. Spelling isn't math.

The only way I know of to spell a word without using ce'o between each
letter is with lo'u ... le'u:

lo'u by. .abu ry. dy. .abu le'u tadji lonu ciska lu barda li'u

On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis <
felipeg.assis@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think we should have a lujvo for the relationship between a word and
> its spelling.
> Its definition could be
>   "x1 is a spelling of word x2."
>
> Currently, my best attempt at expressing that in lojban is
>   {ko'e valsi fi'o lerfu porsi ko'a},
> inspired by iesk (more ideas below). Am I missing a better possibility?
>
> My current idea for a veljvo is {valsi ke lerfu porsi}, giving
> {vlakemlerpoi}
> ({vlalerpoi} being possibly a string of letters (as opposed to other
> letterals)).
>
> An important thing to consider is how the spelling would be expressed. Th=
e
> straightforward representation of a {ce'o}-sequence of individual lettera=
ls
> would give things like {me'o .e bu ce'o me'o .ybu li'o}, and these {ce'o
> me'o}
> are distracting. CLL 17.2 suggests lerfu strings for the purpose of
> spelling.
> I guess we could define the terjvo to be something like {me'o .ebu .ybu
> li'o}.
>
> What do you think? Any suggestions?
>
> mu'o
> mi'e .asiz.
>
> On 3 July 2012 11:46, gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Tried translating this one and failed.
> > <How do you write "Eyjafjallaj=F6kull"?> actually means <How do you spe=
ll
> > "Eyjafjallaj=F6kull"?> or <Please dictate the spelling of
> "Eyjafjallaj=F6kull">
> > Any ideas?
> >
>
> On 3 July 2012 12:16, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> > ma tadji lonu ciska zo'oi.Eyjafjallaj=F6kull.
> >
> > Or without using "experimental" cmavo:
> >
> > ma tadji lonu ciska zoi by. Eyjafjallaj=F6kull .by
>
> On 3 July 2012 17:47, iesk <pa.fae@gmx.de> wrote:
> > .i .u'i ki'a xu zoi zoi. Eyjafjallaj=F6kull .zoi se ciska fi'o za'e
> lerfyporsi
> > .e bu ce'o .y bu ce'o jy. ce'o .a bu ce'o fy. ce'o jy. ce'o .a bu ce'o
> ly.
> > ce'o ly. ce'o .a bu ce'o jy. ce'o tei .o bu relmoc. bu foi ce'o ky. ce'=
o
> .u
> > bu ce'o ly. ce'o ly.
> >
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For one thing, you don&#39;t want to be using me&#39;o at all. Spelling isn=
&#39;t math.<br><br>The only way I know of to spell a word without using ce=
&#39;o between each letter is with lo&#39;u ... le&#39;u:<br><br>lo&#39;u b=
y. .abu ry. dy. .abu le&#39;u tadji lonu ciska lu barda li&#39;u<br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Felipe Gon=
=E7alves Assis <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:felipeg.assis@gmail.=
com" target=3D"_blank">felipeg.assis@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #=
ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I think we should have a lujvo for the relationship between a word and<br>
its spelling.<br>
Its definition could be<br>
=A0 &quot;x1 is a spelling of word x2.&quot;<br>
<br>
Currently, my best attempt at expressing that in lojban is<br>
=A0 {ko&#39;e valsi fi&#39;o lerfu porsi ko&#39;a},<br>
inspired by iesk (more ideas below). Am I missing a better possibility?<br>
<br>
My current idea for a veljvo is {valsi ke lerfu porsi}, giving {vlakemlerpo=
i}<br>
({vlalerpoi} being possibly a string of letters (as opposed to other<br>
letterals)).<br>
<br>
An important thing to consider is how the spelling would be expressed. The<=
br>
straightforward representation of a {ce&#39;o}-sequence of individual lette=
rals<br>
would give things like {me&#39;o .e bu ce&#39;o me&#39;o .ybu li&#39;o}, an=
d these {ce&#39;o me&#39;o}<br>
are distracting. CLL 17.2 suggests lerfu strings for the purpose of spellin=
g.<br>
I guess we could define the terjvo to be something like {me&#39;o .ebu .ybu=
 li&#39;o}.<br>
<br>
What do you think? Any suggestions?<br>
<br>
mu&#39;o<br>
mi&#39;e .asiz.<br>
<br>
On 3 July 2012 11:46, gleki &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.co=
m">gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; Tried translating this one and failed.<br>
&gt; &lt;How do you write &quot;Eyjafjallaj=F6kull&quot;?&gt; actually mean=
s &lt;How do you spell<br>
&gt; &quot;Eyjafjallaj=F6kull&quot;?&gt; or &lt;Please dictate the spelling=
 of &quot;Eyjafjallaj=F6kull&quot;&gt;<br>
&gt; Any ideas?<br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
On 3 July 2012 12:16, Jonathan Jones &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eyeonus@gmail.co=
m">eyeonus@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; ma tadji lonu ciska zo&#39;oi.Eyjafjallaj=F6kull.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Or without using &quot;experimental&quot; cmavo:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; ma tadji lonu ciska zoi by. Eyjafjallaj=F6kull .by<br>
<br>
On 3 July 2012 17:47, iesk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pa.fae@gmx.de">pa.fae@gmx.=
de</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; .i .u&#39;i ki&#39;a xu zoi zoi. Eyjafjallaj=F6kull .zoi se ciska fi&#=
39;o za&#39;e lerfyporsi<br>
&gt; .e bu ce&#39;o .y bu ce&#39;o jy. ce&#39;o .a bu ce&#39;o fy. ce&#39;o=
 jy. ce&#39;o .a bu ce&#39;o ly.<br>
&gt; ce&#39;o ly. ce&#39;o .a bu ce&#39;o jy. ce&#39;o tei .o bu relmoc. bu=
 foi ce&#39;o ky. ce&#39;o .u<br>
&gt; bu ce&#39;o ly. ce&#39;o ly.<br>
&gt;<br>
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