On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Jacob Errington <<= a href=3D"mailto:nictytan@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">nictytan@gmail.com> wrote:

On 12 July 2012 17:39, Jon= athan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com&= gt; wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 12 July 2012 15:20, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > For one thing, you don't want to be using me'o at all= . Spelling isn't
>> > math.
>> >
>> Actually, {me'o} is just fine. How else are you supposed to sa= y "I
>> write the letter 'b'," if not by using {.i mi ciska m= e'o by.} ({mi
>> ciska by} is out of the question, because by is anaphoric) ?
>
>
> That's not "I write the letter "b". me'o by. is= the VARIABLE b.
>

Then could you tell me how to say it?
Also, I have better than good reason to believe that it's NOT the
variable b, given the definition of me'o which I'd assumed you'= d know:
"me'o =3D the mathematical expression (unevaluated); convert uneva= luated
mathematical expression to sumti."

What is the unevaluated expression "2+2" ? I think it's "= ;2+2". That
leads me to believe that the unevaluated expression "b" is "= b", even
if b has the value, say, 4, in which case its evaluated expression is
"4" and not "b".

mu'o mi'e la tsani

>>
>> > The only way I know of to spell a word without using ce'o= between each
>> > letter is with lo'u ... le'u:
>> >
>> Using lo'u .. le'u just amounts to a shorthand for {ce'= ;o}, yes. The
>> problem is that if told you {ko ciska lo'u ci ra ki ba na ku t= e le'u}
>> I'd expect "ci ra ki ba na ku te" to be on the ciska= 3, not something
>> else. By extension, I'd expect "by a bu ky ny i bu" = to be on the
>> ciska3 if I said {.i ko ciska lo'u by abu ky ny ibu le'u}.=
>>
>> > lo'u by. .abu ry. dy. .abu le'u tadji lonu ciska lu b= arda li'u
>> >
>> That suffers from more than one problem, because I'd figure th= at only
>> abstractions (or descriptions referring to abstractions, of course= )
>> could be tadji1. A list cannot be a method; that just doesn't = make
>> sense (my answer would be uanai).
>>
>> Again, I suggest using something involving probably LAhE, porsi, a= nd
>> lerfu: {vu'i me'o by abu ky ny ibu lerfu porsi fi vu'i= zo bakni}.
>> The rationale behind using vu'i on a quote is that if the quot= e is a
>> word-quote, the (only?) logical sequence that vu'i can return = is a
>> list of letters. I'd suppose that vu'i on a grammatical-te= xt quote
>> returns the list of words. (I differentiate grammatical text quote= s
>> from multi-word quotes, but I won't get into that.)
>> The justification for using a sequence in porsi3, which is of type=
>> [set] (assuming places are typed, which is what I believe) is that= all
>> sequences are also sets (the sequence type inherits all the proper= ties
>> of the set type).
>> Using {vu'i me'o by abu ky ny ibu} is *perhaps* not a good= solution
>> (albeit certainly understandable). Maybe, a better solution would = be
>> the much longer {me'o by ce'o me'o abu ce'o me'= ;o ky ce'o me'o ny ce'o
>> me'o ibu} which *presumably* parses in the PEG and probably no= t in
>> jbofi'e, but I'd never expect anyone to *ever* say that, *= ever*.
>>
>> mu'o mi'e la tsani
>>
>>
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis
>> > <felipeg.assis@= gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I think we should have a lujvo for the relationship betwe= en a word and
>> >> its spelling.
>> >> Its definition could be
>> >> =A0 "x1 is a spelling of word x2."
>> >>
>> >> Currently, my best attempt at expressing that in lojban i= s
>> >> =A0 {ko'e valsi fi'o lerfu porsi ko'a},
>> >> inspired by iesk (more ideas below). Am I missing a bette= r possibility?
>> >>
>> >> My current idea for a veljvo is {valsi ke lerfu porsi}, g= iving
>> >> {vlakemlerpoi}
>> >> ({vlalerpoi} being possibly a string of letters (as oppos= ed to other
>> >> letterals)).
>> >>
>> >> An important thing to consider is how the spelling would = be expressed.
>> >> The
>> >> straightforward representation of a {ce'o}-sequence o= f individual
>> >> letterals
>> >> would give things like {me'o .e bu ce'o me'o = .ybu li'o}, and these
>> >> {ce'o
>> >> me'o}
>> >> are distracting. CLL 17.2 suggests lerfu strings for the = purpose of
>> >> spelling.
>> >> I guess we could define the terjvo to be something like {= me'o .ebu .ybu
>> >> li'o}.
>> >>
>> >> What do you think? Any suggestions?
>> >>
>> >> mu'o
>> >> mi'e .asiz.
>> >>
>> >> On 3 July 2012 11:46, gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > Tried translating this one and failed.
>> >> > <How do you write "Eyjafjallaj=F6kull"?= > actually means <How do you
>> >> > spell
>> >> > "Eyjafjallaj=F6kull"?> or <Please di= ctate the spelling of
>> >> > "Eyjafjallaj=F6kull">
>> >> > Any ideas?
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> On 3 July 2012 12:16, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > ma tadji lonu ciska zo'oi.Eyjafjallaj=F6kull. >> >> >
>> >> > Or without using "experimental" cmavo:
>> >> >
>> >> > ma tadji lonu ciska zoi by. Eyjafjallaj=F6kull .by >> >>
>> >> On 3 July 2012 17:47, iesk <pa.fae@gmx.de> wrote:
>> >> > .i .u'i ki'a xu zoi zoi. Eyjafjallaj=F6kull = .zoi se ciska fi'o za'e
>> >> > lerfyporsi
>> >> > .e bu ce'o .y bu ce'o jy. ce'o .a bu ce&= #39;o fy. ce'o jy. ce'o .a bu
>> >> > ce'o
>> >> > ly.
>> >> > ce'o ly. ce'o .a bu ce'o jy. ce'o te= i .o bu relmoc. bu foi ce'o ky.
>> >> > ce'o
>> >> > .u
>> >> > bu ce'o ly. ce'o ly.
>> >> >
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