Received: from mail-lb0-f189.google.com ([209.85.217.189]:43930) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SpSF0-00051P-T6; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 15:52:12 -0700 Received: by lbol5 with SMTP id l5sf1855776lbo.16 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 15:52:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=UTzib9Rs0fjPgQ7fcqha2Er9ZCGmN6V1NHgsCtHWOD0=; b=SNVP0JAJAz9B0VmNRPL0nqHK+MnvBvDBide+m83FFxFW48LO9GeM5alYWorOijrLwo gVmCw0rSw5Q0SoqXZLcVWbYMrhPTF/+Ib/d6JXKzgZId9YEJtyOSXZmJG9yQ/WxbOyKs YouWW2Sk5rVhqgRoR7f5sIFLMeaW3ih7JYKE0= Received: by 10.204.10.84 with SMTP id o20mr6949bko.2.1342133522877; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 15:52:02 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.146.82 with SMTP id g18ls2428057bkv.3.gmail; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 15:52:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.154.76 with SMTP id n12mr12654bkw.1.1342133521983; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 15:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.154.76 with SMTP id n12mr12653bkw.1.1342133521918; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 15:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f178.google.com (mail-lb0-f178.google.com [209.85.217.178]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e23si1506077bks.0.2012.07.12.15.52.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 12 Jul 2012 15:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.178; Received: by lbbgj10 with SMTP id gj10so4756567lbb.23 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 15:52:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.39.135 with SMTP id p7mr1961942lbk.78.1342133521563; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 15:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.46.36 with HTTP; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 15:52:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 16:52:01 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_=5Blojban=5D_lujvo_for_=22spelling=22=3F_=28was_Re=3A_=5Blojban=2D?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?beginners=5D_How_do_you_write_=22Eyjafjallaj=F6kull=22=3F_=28a_sentence?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_from_tatoeba=29=29?= From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=485b390f7a76cb401204c4a9cfd3 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --485b390f7a76cb401204c4a9cfd3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Jacob Errington wrote: > Also, I have better than good reason to believe that it's NOT the > variable b, given the definition of me'o which I'd assumed you'd know: > "me'o = the mathematical expression (unevaluated); convert unevaluated > mathematical expression to sumti." > > What is the unevaluated expression "2+2" ? I think it's "2+2". That > leads me to believe that the unevaluated expression "b" is "b", even > if b has the value, say, 4, in which case its evaluated expression is > "4" and not "b". > Yes, the unevaluated expression "b" is "b", however, it is the VARIABLE "b", NOT the LETTER "b". We're talking about mathematics here. Math doesn't have letters. It has constants, variables, and operations. Things REPRESENTED by letters are VARIABLES. -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --485b390f7a76cb401204c4a9cfd3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Jacob Errington= <nictytan@gmail.com> wrote:
Also, I have better than good reason to believe that it's NOT the
variable b, given the definition of me'o which I'd assumed you'= d know:
"me'o =3D the mathematical expression (unevaluated); convert uneva= luated
mathematical expression to sumti."

What is the unevaluated expression "2+2" ? I think it's "= ;2+2". That
leads me to believe that the unevaluated expression "b" is "= b", even
if b has the value, say, 4, in which case its evaluated expression is
"4" and not "b".

Yes, the une= valuated expression "b" is "b", however, it is the VARI= ABLE "b", NOT the LETTER "b". We're talking about m= athematics here. Math doesn't have letters. It has constants, variables= , and operations. Things REPRESENTED by letters are VARIABLES.

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.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo piln= o be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Lu= ke, I am your father. :D )

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