Received: from mail-gg0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]:61793) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SpSTQ-0005AJ-Ah; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 16:07:05 -0700 Received: by ggke5 with SMTP id e5sf3079997ggk.16 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 16:06:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=kBGJKiy0LLP5o1kYZMGjbsgSi4DLa1K4QUdixaKcJ2Q=; b=Bj/4RNMx+7lnIOQB7OUFSvW6NRdSyNAUYt8u7i9Ke45FPapnOwXPzORs5E5lg5T92Y 4yD0JzwGZuvJRdgPr842/lOxAR/XddPWbEl8emIIsPSGvJXIVOLdu5Pt3B8ZgqnF0Msg driUjHqfhAbNphqLLSICGILinO9iHLZJMHihU= Received: by 10.52.94.111 with SMTP id db15mr5425vdb.11.1342134418016; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 16:06:58 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.35.202 with SMTP id k10ls1466267vdj.0.gmail; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 16:06:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.75.161 with SMTP id d1mr86917vdw.2.1342134417298; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 16:06:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.75.161 with SMTP id d1mr86916vdw.2.1342134417288; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 16:06:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vb0-f45.google.com (mail-vb0-f45.google.com [209.85.212.45]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y20si280719vdd.0.2012.07.12.16.06.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 12 Jul 2012 16:06:57 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.45 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.45; Received: by vbbfn1 with SMTP id fn1so2343854vbb.32 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 16:06:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.248.82 with SMTP id mf18mr60627vcb.20.1342134416891; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 16:06:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.24.193 with HTTP; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 16:06:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Jacob Errington Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 19:06:35 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_=5Blojban=5D_lujvo_for_=22spelling=22=3F_=28was_Re=3A_=5Blojban=2D?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?beginners=5D_How_do_you_write_=22Eyjafjallaj=F6kull=22=3F_=28a_sentence?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_from_tatoeba=29=29?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: nictytan@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.45 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nictytan@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On 12 July 2012 18:52, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Jacob Errington wrote: >> >> Also, I have better than good reason to believe that it's NOT the >> variable b, given the definition of me'o which I'd assumed you'd know: >> "me'o = the mathematical expression (unevaluated); convert unevaluated >> mathematical expression to sumti." >> >> What is the unevaluated expression "2+2" ? I think it's "2+2". That >> leads me to believe that the unevaluated expression "b" is "b", even >> if b has the value, say, 4, in which case its evaluated expression is >> "4" and not "b". > > > Yes, the unevaluated expression "b" is "b", however, it is the VARIABLE "b", > NOT the LETTER "b". We're talking about mathematics here. Math doesn't have > letters. It has constants, variables, and operations. Things REPRESENTED by > letters are VARIABLES. > > Sure, but what matters is the result, no? If I say "write the unevaluated expression 'b'" and I get a "b" on a piece of paper, and that's what I wanted to happen, then I've succeeded, haven't I? Regardless, in a 100% lojbanic environment, the listener would just write {by} on the paper if I told em/them/him/her {.i ko ciska me'o by lo papri}. Looking at the definition of {lerfu}, the gimste seems to suggest that a letter can be referred to with {la'e zo BY}. Is it thus the case that {la'e zo by ce'o abu ce'o...} (which is redundant to {la'e lo'u by abu ... le'u}) is the correct way to give a letter list? And, I think I should mention that you haven't answered my question. How would you give a letter list? It's good and well to tell everyone that they're wrong, but if you suggest no solutions, I'm afraid you're only being unproductive. mu'o mi'e la tsani > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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