Received: from mail-qa0-f56.google.com ([209.85.216.56]:54736) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SpTaG-0005kE-FC; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 17:18:27 -0700 Received: by qaas11 with SMTP id s11sf80827qaa.1 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 17:18:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=4M9qty+tkMUmWVI1dWKQHSlGZDKTbxA3O7l5A3CKmBg=; b=zTlnkBLKl5zyRiaUbg5I5kT2M8WR/WiqfKOOOhx4kl08YxtkYv8GfQcw/AbAiW+LrT p5Mc6HhwFjTLI0W5+6X5K+j8rWg/6NrwtpX5qgU8AyRphjIWGvQQTIobVYHYkHN/i/HO 2OXH01dLiqd8qOHwSkflFqNO21u5ZQ2LKglWM= Received: by 10.52.68.141 with SMTP id w13mr25014vdt.18.1342138685831; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 17:18:05 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.230.193 with SMTP id jn1ls1510461vcb.8.gmail; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 17:18:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.89.129 with SMTP id bo1mr182538vdb.0.1342138684089; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 17:18:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.89.129 with SMTP id bo1mr182536vdb.0.1342138684072; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 17:18:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vb0-f43.google.com (mail-vb0-f43.google.com [209.85.212.43]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y20si286086vdd.0.2012.07.12.17.18.04 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 12 Jul 2012 17:18:04 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.43 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.43; Received: by vbbfq11 with SMTP id fq11so2746823vbb.30 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 17:18:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.16.8 with SMTP id m8mr151959vca.10.1342138683449; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 17:18:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.58.171.7 with HTTP; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 17:17:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: ".arpis." Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 20:17:43 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_=5Blojban=5D_lujvo_for_=22spelling=22=3F_=28was_Re=3A_=5Blojban=2D?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?beginners=5D_How_do_you_write_=22Eyjafjallaj=F6kull=22=3F_=28a_sentence?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_from_tatoeba=29=29?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.43 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec54ee7de7760a504c4ab0306 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --bcaec54ee7de7760a504c4ab0306 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The CLL seems to disagree with you on this point somewhat. http://dag.github.com/cll/17/10/ But I like the lo'u ... li'u suggestion for spelling. On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > For one thing, you don't want to be using me'o at all. Spelling isn't mat= h. > > The only way I know of to spell a word without using ce'o between each > letter is with lo'u ... le'u: > > lo'u by. .abu ry. dy. .abu le'u tadji lonu ciska lu barda li'u > > > On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis < > felipeg.assis@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I think we should have a lujvo for the relationship between a word and >> its spelling. >> Its definition could be >> "x1 is a spelling of word x2." >> >> Currently, my best attempt at expressing that in lojban is >> {ko'e valsi fi'o lerfu porsi ko'a}, >> inspired by iesk (more ideas below). Am I missing a better possibility? >> >> My current idea for a veljvo is {valsi ke lerfu porsi}, giving >> {vlakemlerpoi} >> ({vlalerpoi} being possibly a string of letters (as opposed to other >> letterals)). >> >> An important thing to consider is how the spelling would be expressed. T= he >> straightforward representation of a {ce'o}-sequence of individual >> letterals >> would give things like {me'o .e bu ce'o me'o .ybu li'o}, and these {ce'o >> me'o} >> are distracting. CLL 17.2 suggests lerfu strings for the purpose of >> spelling. >> I guess we could define the terjvo to be something like {me'o .ebu .ybu >> li'o}. >> >> What do you think? Any suggestions? >> >> mu'o >> mi'e .asiz. >> >> On 3 July 2012 11:46, gleki wrote: >> > Tried translating this one and failed. >> > actually means > > "Eyjafjallaj=F6kull"?> or > "Eyjafjallaj=F6kull"> >> > Any ideas? >> > >> >> On 3 July 2012 12:16, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> > ma tadji lonu ciska zo'oi.Eyjafjallaj=F6kull. >> > >> > Or without using "experimental" cmavo: >> > >> > ma tadji lonu ciska zoi by. Eyjafjallaj=F6kull .by >> >> On 3 July 2012 17:47, iesk wrote: >> > .i .u'i ki'a xu zoi zoi. Eyjafjallaj=F6kull .zoi se ciska fi'o za'e >> lerfyporsi >> > .e bu ce'o .y bu ce'o jy. ce'o .a bu ce'o fy. ce'o jy. ce'o .a bu ce'o >> ly. >> > ce'o ly. ce'o .a bu ce'o jy. ce'o tei .o bu relmoc. bu foi ce'o ky. >> ce'o .u >> > bu ce'o ly. ce'o ly. >> > >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >> >> > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > --=20 mu'o mi'e .arpis. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --bcaec54ee7de7760a504c4ab0306 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The CLL seems to disagree with you on this point somewhat.

http://dag.github.com/cll/17/10/<= br>
But I like the lo'u ... li'u suggestion for spelling.
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Jonathan Jones = <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
For one thing, you don't want to be using me'o at all. Spelling isn= 't math.

The only way I know of to spell a word without using ce= 'o between each letter is with lo'u ... le'u:

lo'u b= y. .abu ry. dy. .abu le'u tadji lonu ciska lu barda li'u


On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Felipe Gon= =E7alves Assis <felipeg.assis@gmail.com> wrote:
I think we should have a lujvo for the relationship between a word and
its spelling.
Its definition could be
=A0 "x1 is a spelling of word x2."

Currently, my best attempt at expressing that in lojban is
=A0 {ko'e valsi fi'o lerfu porsi ko'a},
inspired by iesk (more ideas below). Am I missing a better possibility?

My current idea for a veljvo is {valsi ke lerfu porsi}, giving {vlakemlerpo= i}
({vlalerpoi} being possibly a string of letters (as opposed to other
letterals)).

An important thing to consider is how the spelling would be expressed. The<= br> straightforward representation of a {ce'o}-sequence of individual lette= rals
would give things like {me'o .e bu ce'o me'o .ybu li'o}, an= d these {ce'o me'o}
are distracting. CLL 17.2 suggests lerfu strings for the purpose of spellin= g.
I guess we could define the terjvo to be something like {me'o .ebu .ybu= li'o}.

What do you think? Any suggestions?

mu'o
mi'e .asiz.

On 3 July 2012 11:46, gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tried translating this one and failed.
> <How do you write "Eyjafjallaj=F6kull"?> actually mean= s <How do you spell
> "Eyjafjallaj=F6kull"?> or <Please dictate the spelling= of "Eyjafjallaj=F6kull">
> Any ideas?
>

On 3 July 2012 12:16, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> ma tadji lonu ciska zo'oi.Eyjafjallaj=F6kull.
>
> Or without using "experimental" cmavo:
>
> ma tadji lonu ciska zoi by. Eyjafjallaj=F6kull .by

On 3 July 2012 17:47, iesk <pa.fae@gmx.de> wrote:
> .i .u'i ki'a xu zoi zoi. Eyjafjallaj=F6kull .zoi se ciska fi&#= 39;o za'e lerfyporsi
> .e bu ce'o .y bu ce'o jy. ce'o .a bu ce'o fy. ce'o= jy. ce'o .a bu ce'o ly.
> ce'o ly. ce'o .a bu ce'o jy. ce'o tei .o bu relmoc. bu= foi ce'o ky. ce'o .u
> bu ce'o ly. ce'o ly.
>

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