Received: from mail-wg0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]:60635) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SpUUn-0006MI-S8; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 18:16:42 -0700 Received: by wgbdt10 with SMTP id dt10sf1769874wgb.16 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 18:16:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=mQpouCGN9VlIHoruJOmXtE2q6+qa+9zFxjfatL6nBV4=; b=a0OmCvqBFzstUHZGun51f/VezRZuaAN4ULcM5Jzdp/RuCpcMQUvOCu5ubYjRLFTM2l xVr0pjjsKQAzjXoK/zQ/rM40foQEdUgtWdP3yj2BanQ//22kWazyQyyacj7GV+ZEVuHn 3LJ7fqKRJb/oI2U1+5o3G41byOad4gRAeJD0g= Received: by 10.204.156.147 with SMTP id x19mr11241bkw.35.1342142189948; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 18:16:29 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.7.213 with SMTP id e21ls2455528bke.2.gmail; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 18:16:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.130.7 with SMTP id q7mr44869bks.2.1342142188244; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 18:16:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.130.7 with SMTP id q7mr44868bks.2.1342142188231; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 18:16:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f169.google.com (mail-lb0-f169.google.com [209.85.217.169]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j4si1576526bkj.3.2012.07.12.18.16.28 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 12 Jul 2012 18:16:28 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.169; Received: by lbjn8 with SMTP id n8so3953248lbj.28 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 18:16:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.86.105 with SMTP id o9mr2132309lbz.32.1342142187745; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 18:16:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.63.48 with HTTP; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 18:16:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 22:16:27 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] {da} and abstractions From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Jacob Errington wrot= e: > On 12 July 2012 20:13, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: >> On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 7:47 PM, Jacob Errington wr= ote: >> >>> The useful interpretation of {lu'i ci lo mu nanmu} is "the set >>> composed of three of the five men" >> >> But there isn't one such set, there are 10 of them. Is it any one of >> them, all of them? > > .a'u I'd never really considered that aspect of it. I always assumed > the three men to be those that the speaker had in mind, given the > nature of {zo'e} implicitly used by {lo}. Of course, that may not be > the most useful interpretation. The nature of "zo'e" concerns the five men, but says nothing about which three of them are involved. You could have "ko'a goi lo mu nanmu [...] lu'i ci ko'a" with the same issue arising. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.