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Subject: Re: [lojban] Gender, yet again.
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On 13 July 2012 00:34, vitci'i <celestialcognition@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> The use of "gender" in that context is different than
>>>>> self-identification;
>>>>>> it's targeting based on gender, and that's a tanru/lujvo.
>>>>>
>>>>> What would you tanru/lujvo together to convey that? sevzi is
>>>>> insufficient to distinguish gender identity from other kinds of
>>>>> self-identification (e.g. nationality/culture); klesi and le'e likewise.
>>>>> cinse is narrower, but as I've mentioned also means sexual orientation,
>>>>> and to distinguish which sense is meant we again need a word that means
>>>>> gender.
>>>>>
>>>>> (If we had a word for sex, gender could be constructed by lujvo as "sex
>>>>> stereotype". But we don't.)
>>>>>
>>> Anyway, I'm certainly not going to say {jbepibnafei ke kulnu xarlei ke'e
>>> sevzi} every time I want to talk about gender identity. If I had the
>>> power to rewrite cinse, gender identity would be {cinse'i}.
>>>
>>
>> Good, because you'd be wrong to do so. Gender identity != genetic sex.
>
> Did you read the rest of what I wrote? The problem I'm trying to solve
> is that there aren't words that are capable of specifying the concept
> "gender". Since sex was one of the nearest misses, I constructed a
> phrase including it.
>
>
>> (Maybe {ko'a jbena zi'o zi'o zi'o fi'o plibu ko'e})
>
> I don't think {zi'o} is what you want here: you've said that ko'a is
> born never, nowhere, and to no one, but nevertheless is born.
>

Watch out with {zi'o}. {zi'o} is *not* "nothing" or any variation of
it. {zi'o} *deletes* the place.

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