Received: from mail-pb0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]:51969) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SpYFk-0000Jj-CM; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 22:17:28 -0700 Received: by pbbro2 with SMTP id ro2sf3582962pbb.16 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 22:17:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=YIfxNxzt5FFkPDPsMfJVCrVcAVt0oQO9zjhZkitcVVc=; b=Hn+cs1FXSAmog46fVKOe94JRBRymtzBoVARdqVhHDuHBwK8Ln+jP/g2nCG1tSmRa51 o9hqLiSo68E1xkz4idfZp4Mj3liQ3vyFpbY1s0Y8ZFLXQYZoicCOoSY8p1iVasusmmcU qxfq4wqz71iEu6vhViOwrjeYg3e75jrRcG3+Q= Received: by 10.236.176.66 with SMTP id a42mr102638yhm.5.1342156634136; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 22:17:14 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.236.149.34 with SMTP id w22ls4754165yhj.8.gmail; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 22:17:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.83.111 with SMTP id p75mr2487770yhe.5.1342156632816; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 22:17:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.83.111 with SMTP id p75mr2487765yhe.5.1342156632807; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 22:17:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-f49.google.com (mail-yw0-f49.google.com [209.85.213.49]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e37si1980764yhi.1.2012.07.12.22.17.12 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 12 Jul 2012 22:17:12 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of celestialcognition@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.49 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.213.49; Received: by yhjj52 with SMTP id j52so56140yhj.36 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 22:17:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.135.97 with SMTP id pr1mr206117igb.49.1342156632633; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 22:17:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.103] (76-76-236-67.lisco.net. [76.76.236.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g5sm763373ign.4.2012.07.12.22.17.11 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 12 Jul 2012 22:17:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FFFAF56.7050901@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 00:17:10 -0500 From: vitci'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120615 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Gender, yet again. References: <4FFE5CB0.7050506@gmail.com> <41a043f3-4116-45ad-baab-730e89b69637@googlegroups.com> <4FFF61CF.9080807@gmail.com> <4FFF8D51.7070002@gmail.com> <4FFF9080.5000800@gmail.com> <4FFFA544.5070404@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: celestialcognition@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of celestialcognition@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.49 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=celestialcognition@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On 07/12/2012 11:46 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > I'm saying that the English word "gender" is too broad to be one Lojban > word, and that the only portion of it that is important is biological. > Societal gender is not, to me, important at all. It doesn't matter to me > what gender- in any sense of the word- a person is, except in the > biological sense, and even then, only for reasons of biological/medicinal > purposes. (Like if I want to have kids, or I need to treat a relevant > illness.) Even if you personally don't care about societal gender, it's still a thing that a lot of people care about and are affected by. You don't get to delete words from the dictionary just because they aren't to your taste. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.