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On 07/13/2012 12:59 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 11:17 PM, vitci'i <celestialcognition@gmail.com>wrote:
> 
>> On 07/12/2012 11:46 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote:
>>> I'm saying that the English word "gender" is too broad to be one Lojban
>>> word, and that the only portion of it that is important is biological.
>>> Societal gender is not, to me, important at all. It doesn't matter to me
>>> what gender- in any sense of the word- a person is, except in the
>>> biological sense, and even then, only for reasons of biological/medicinal
>>> purposes. (Like if I want to have kids, or I need to treat a relevant
>>> illness.)
>>
>> Even if you personally don't care about societal gender, it's still a
>> thing that a lot of people care about and are affected by. You don't get
>> to delete words from the dictionary just because they aren't to your taste.
>>
> 
> Firstly, it's not a matter of deletion. They don't exist.
> 
> Secondly, it's not a matter of taste. It has nothing to do with liking or
> disliking. It's a matter of importance. Societal gender is nothing more
> than a means of classifying- and thus segregating- people who don't fit
> some "norm".
> 
> Thirdly, I have yet to see a definition of "Societal Gender" that isn't so
> horrendously broad as to be essentially meaningless, which may in fact be
> part of the reason why it's so difficult for you to find a Lojban word.
> 
> How about, instead of arguing about the importance or lack thereof of such
> a word, you divide the uber-concept into it's constituent pieces.

I believe I did: gender is a strongly sex-correlated stereotype.


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