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On Sunday, July 8, 2012 2:48:05 PM UTC-5, Robin Powell wrote:
>
> There is a property of objects that has to do with arrangement of 
> their parts, in general; what you gave was a way to talk about 
> entering particular such arrangements, but not to talk about it in 
> general; no way to say "Oh, her posture/stance changed" or "what is 
> his posture in that picture?". 
>

[note: I moved this paragraph to the top, as I think it more accurately 
addresses the question of discussing the general property of arrangements 
of parts. I actually thought of it last.]
An opportune valsi I just thought of is stura. I can imagine {prenu stura} 
being the posture of a pony. It has no easy way to refer to the internal 
parts, however, so it must remain very general, unless somepony has a good 
way to descriptively fill the x1 of stura.
lo stura be ko'a binxo ("Her posture changed")
vi pixra ma poi stura ko'a ("What is her posture in that picture?")
This works by assuming that the attempt to interpret ko'a as a set/system 
results in treating her as a set of body parts that can be arranged in a 
particular posture. The responses could be less verbose:
lo stedu be ko'a sraji ("Her head is upright")
lo xance be ko'a crane ("Her hooves are in front of her")
which, provided I'm doing this right, seems a lot more straightforward. 
[than what I have below.]

[What follows is my thoughts of constructing a lujvo for more precise 
discussion of "posture" or "internal arrangement".]
Trying to create a "posture" sumti, my mind turned first to some tanru of 
zvati with some aspect of gunma, nenri, diklo, or ckini. That is, having a 
mass of positions, or specifically the state various 
internal/local/relative positions within one mass. The tanru sumti I 
thought up are:
lei nenri se zvati (the mass of internal-locations)
lei diklo se zvati (the mass of local-locations) (really weak, imo)
lei ckini se zvati (the mass of relative-locations)

This sort of really makes me want to convey that the internal locations are 
regarding the same larger object/set/mass. One option I like is defining 
the lujvo:
nerzva
n1=z1 is at internal position z2, inside n2

Then, one would hopefully be able to be either general or specific from 
there:
lei se nerzva pe ko'a binxo ("Her posture changed")
vi pixra ma poi ko'a te nerzva ("What is her posture in that picture?" or, 
more literally "What are the position(s) of something(s) inside her in that 
picture?")
fi ko'a lo stedu ku nerzva lo sraji ("Her head is upright")
fi ko'a lo xance ku nerzva lo crane ("Her hoof(s) are in front of her")
As you can tell, I imagine the frame-of-reference zo'e to be implied to be 
that of ko'a

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On Sunday, July 8, 2012 2:48:05 PM UTC-5, Robin Powell wrote:<blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px =
#ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">There is a property of objects that has to d=
o with arrangement of
<br>their parts, in general; what you gave was a way to talk about
<br>entering particular such arrangements, but not to talk about it in
<br>general; no way to say "Oh, her posture/stance changed" or "what is
<br>his posture in that picture?".
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>[note: I moved this paragraph to the t=
op, as I think it more accurately addresses the question of discussing the =
general property of arrangements of parts. I actually thought of it last.]<=
/div><div><div><ponifytext>An opportune valsi I just thought of is stura. I=
 can imagine {prenu stura} being the posture of a <ponify title=3D"person">=
pony</ponify>. It has no easy way to refer to the internal parts, however, =
so it must remain very general, unless <ponify title=3D"someone">somepony</=
ponify> has a good way to descriptively fill the x1 of stura.</ponifytext><=
/div><div>lo stura be ko'a binxo ("Her posture changed")</div><div>vi pixra=
 ma poi stura ko'a ("What is her posture in that picture?")</div><div>This =
works by assuming that the attempt to interpret ko'a as a set/system result=
s in treating her as a set of body parts that can be arranged in a particul=
ar posture. The responses could be less verbose:</div><div>lo stedu be ko'a=
 sraji ("Her head is upright")</div><div><ponifytext>lo xance be ko'a crane=
 ("Her <ponify title=3D"hands">hooves</ponify> are in front of her")</ponif=
ytext></div><div>which, provided I'm doing this right, seems a lot more str=
aightforward. [than what I have below.]</div></div><div><br></div><div>[Wha=
t follows is my thoughts of constructing a lujvo for more precise discussio=
n of "posture" or "internal arrangement".]</div><div>Trying to create a "po=
sture" sumti, my mind turned first to some tanru of zvati with some aspect =
of gunma, nenri, diklo, or ckini. That is, having a mass of positions, or s=
pecifically the state various internal/local/relative positions within one =
mass. The tanru sumti I thought up are:</div><div>lei nenri se zvati (the m=
ass of internal-locations)</div><div>lei diklo se zvati (the mass of local-=
locations) (really weak, imo)</div><div>lei ckini se zvati (the mass of rel=
ative-locations)</div><div><br></div><div>This sort of really makes me want=
 to convey that the internal locations are regarding the same larger object=
/set/mass. One option I like is defining the lujvo:</div><div>nerzva</div><=
div>n1=3Dz1 is at internal position z2, inside n2<br></div><div><br></div><=
div>Then, one would hopefully be able to be either general or specific from=
 there:</div><div>lei se nerzva pe ko'a binxo ("Her posture changed")</div>=
<div>vi pixra ma poi ko'a te nerzva ("What is her posture in that picture?"=
 or, more literally "What are the position(s) of something(s) inside her in=
 that picture?")</div><div>fi ko'a lo stedu ku nerzva lo sraji ("Her head i=
s upright")</div><div><ponifytext>fi ko'a lo xance ku nerzva lo crane ("Her=
 <ponify title=3D"hand">hoof</ponify>(s) are in front of her")</ponifytext>=
</div><div>As you can tell, I imagine the frame-of-reference zo'e to be imp=
lied to be that of ko'a</div>

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