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On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 08:15:35AM -0700, djandus wrote:
> So, I'm really hoping this is straightforward.
> 
> A long time ago, I wanted to say to somepony, "I'm halfway there."
> The easy way out is {mi xadba klama}
> 
> But then I tell myself, this is Lojban, we have scalar negation,
> we should have scalar progress be easy to express. As usual, at
> first I found nothing, but now I have too many options and no way
> to tell them apart anymore.
> 
> I get je'a, na'e, no'e, to'e. Those are cool. I don't expect them
> to be too useful here. However, it's probably a good idea to go
> ahead and tell me now if {je'a/no'e klama} makes any sense
> whatsoever.

They look fine to me.

> What the hay is va'e? 

ti noi ninmu cu so va'e lo ni mi gletu djica

> si'e? 

ti pi mu si'e le titnanba .i pa va'e pu lo nu mi cliva .i ma zerle'a
.i mi catra le'o sai

> seci'u? 

xu le ni dikca cu barda se ci'u lo se xampo

(that last maybe needs a ni before the se xampo?)

> Which, if any, applies here? 

{lo nu mi klama cu pi mu si'e lo nu mulno} is one way I might render
the original thought.  You could very easily just drop the x2; it
would be perfectly understandable (and the cu is almost certainly
unnecessary).

> I have ideas for what they all mean, but the way they're defined
> altogether, especially the unaltered ci'e, confuse the hay out of
> me. (ciste doesn't mention scalar negation at all!)

http://vlasisku.lojban.org/vlasisku/ci'e  0.o

I *guess* the idea was to have ci'e be something like "under
conditions"?  Maybe ask Bob?

That's actually not too horrible, now that I think about it.

> So you know, my ideal would be a nice, succinct way to plug any
> number into something, like {pi xa ji'i mu} to get "I'm about 65%
> there." Even better would be knowing how the hay to use all these
> other things.

I'm reasonably certain that si'e does what you want.

-Robin

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