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[173.13.139.236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id vj10si554393pbc.0.2012.07.13.09.22.23 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 13 Jul 2012 09:22:23 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.236; Received: from rlpowell by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SpidK-0007VZ-KB for lojban@googlegroups.com; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 09:22:22 -0700 Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 09:22:22 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Y=27all_need_to_pay_more_attention_to_IRC_=28was_Re=3A_=5Blo?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?jban=5D_lujvo_for_=22spelling=22=3F_=28was_Re=3A_=5Blojban=2Dbeginners=5D_How_?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?do_you_write_=22Eyjafjallaj=F6kull=22=3F_=28a_sentence_from_tatoeba=29=29?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=29?= Message-ID: <20120713162222.GD23325@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 10:01:39AM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Jacob Errington wrote: > > > On 12 July 2012 22:54, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 6:44 PM, Jacob Errington > > wrote: > > >> > > >> On 12 July 2012 20:41, Jacob Errington wrote: > > >> > If by "answered" you're referring to that semantically incorrect use > > of > > >> > {tadji}, > > >> > > >> > then no, you haven't answered it at all. You've told me my solutions > > >> > are no good, and I've thus made more. I have yet to see you > > >> > reciprocate that behaviour. > > > > > > > > > Also, I've seen no opinion's as to the "semantic correctness" of using > > tadji > > > besides your own. To date, no jbocertu has made a comment one way or the > > > other. Until at least one of them does, I'm going to continue with the > > > opinion that there is nothing wrong with using tadji to ask how to spell > > > something. > > > > > > > > > > Talk of our discussion transpired into #lojban. The consensus is that > > using tadji is wrong or malglico: > > > > [11:01] .i ma tadji lo nu ciska lo vi valsi -- does feel > > slightly off. Personally I'd use dratai or similar > > [11:01] <@xalbo> "How do you spell this word?" as {tadji} feels malgli > > to me. I very much prefer {ma lerpoi zo broda} (or whatever) > > [11:02] See we all agree :) > > [11:02] < @xalbo> If the answer is "With a pen", then you're asking > > the wrong question. > > > > "To date, no jbocertu has made a comment one way or the other." > > This statement is still true. 0___o You need to do some research before you say things like that. xalbo has been jbocre nearly as long as I have, and is in my top 3 list of people to go to when I myself am confused. As for selpa'i and tsani ... Umm, if you think they're not jbocre, you need to spend a lot more time in IRC. A huge segment of the community is there chatting reams of Lojban every day. http://www.lojban.org/resources/irclog/lojban/2012_01/2012_01_01.txt -- that's *one day*, and it's more Lojban from each of them than I've ever seen you generate. I would think twice, personally, before arguing with any of them about this sort of thing. And, no, tadji is really not appropriate here; tadji would be something like {lo nu lamji cusku ro lerfu cu tadji lo nu valci skicu}, i.e. "I speak each letter in sequence" is a tadji, the sequence of letters is not. -Robin -- http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u .e lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakni li'u -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.