Received: from mail-ey0-f189.google.com ([209.85.215.189]:61786) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SpinP-0007fD-F9; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 09:32:55 -0700 Received: by eaad14 with SMTP id d14sf2162778eaa.16 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 09:32:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=9zVc6FNWc1lGQzQMEjj1Opbf50Ju4NjwHUVMQyL2gzA=; b=PteO9e74JViJTaCQmn9PWtkucVYOnIZ+H7HnPRhiD6QiqFJ55GYWg94cx5sOUxaJcf ndyYZVGgWEKQvcg/x8N79EwIwIkG6RU1RzCD/hy3Ke/cIU7EIzoQA+t+NDay35yY5bHh df+5IXqEfieMObWWuMu0IBJV0z62rfaK1scbA= Received: by 10.205.118.4 with SMTP id fo4mr114934bkc.12.1342197159793; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 09:32:39 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.13.17 with SMTP id z17ls3122485bkz.5.gmail; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 09:32:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.129.81 with SMTP id n17mr283229bks.3.1342197158662; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 09:32:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.129.81 with SMTP id n17mr283228bks.3.1342197158361; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 09:32:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bk0-f43.google.com (mail-bk0-f43.google.com [209.85.214.43]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e23si2062949bks.0.2012.07.13.09.32.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 13 Jul 2012 09:32:38 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.43 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.43; Received: by bkty15 with SMTP id y15so5474017bkt.16 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 09:32:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.144.168 with SMTP id sn8mr2164352lab.1.1342197158054; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 09:32:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.46.36 with HTTP; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 09:32:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120713162222.GD23325@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> References: <20120713162222.GD23325@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 10:32:38 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Y=27all_need_to_pay_more_attention_to_IRC_=28was_Re=3A?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_=5Blojban=5D_lujvo_for_=22spelling=22=3F_=28was_Re=3A_=5Blojban=2Dbeginners=5D_?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?How_do_you_write_=22Eyjafjallaj=F6kull=22=3F_=28a_sentence_from_tatoe?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ba=29=29=29?= From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.43 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f234687d30c0404c4b8a006 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --e89a8f234687d30c0404c4b8a006 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 10:22 AM, Robin Lee Powell < rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 10:01:39AM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Jacob Errington > wrote: > > > > > On 12 July 2012 22:54, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 6:44 PM, Jacob Errington > > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >> On 12 July 2012 20:41, Jacob Errington wrote: > > > >> > If by "answered" you're referring to that semantically incorrect > use > > > of > > > >> > {tadji}, > > > >> > > > >> > then no, you haven't answered it at all. You've told me my > solutions > > > >> > are no good, and I've thus made more. I have yet to see you > > > >> > reciprocate that behaviour. > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, I've seen no opinion's as to the "semantic correctness" of > using > > > tadji > > > > besides your own. To date, no jbocertu has made a comment one way or > the > > > > other. Until at least one of them does, I'm going to continue with > the > > > > opinion that there is nothing wrong with using tadji to ask how to > spell > > > > something. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Talk of our discussion transpired into #lojban. The consensus is that > > > using tadji is wrong or malglico: > > > > > > [11:01] .i ma tadji lo nu ciska lo vi valsi -- does feel > > > slightly off. Personally I'd use dratai or similar > > > [11:01] <@xalbo> "How do you spell this word?" as {tadji} feels malgli > > > to me. I very much prefer {ma lerpoi zo broda} (or whatever) > > > [11:02] See we all agree :) > > > [11:02] < @xalbo> If the answer is "With a pen", then you're asking > > > the wrong question. > > > > > > > "To date, no jbocertu has made a comment one way or the other." > > > > This statement is still true. > > 0___o > > You need to do some research before you say things like that. > > xalbo has been jbocre nearly as long as I have, and is in my top 3 > list of people to go to when I myself am confused. > > As for selpa'i and tsani ... Umm, if you think they're not jbocre, > you need to spend a lot more time in IRC. A huge segment of the > community is there chatting reams of Lojban every day. > http://www.lojban.org/resources/irclog/lojban/2012_01/2012_01_01.txt > -- that's *one day*, and it's more Lojban from each of them than > I've ever seen you generate. > > I would think twice, personally, before arguing with any of them > about this sort of thing. > > And, no, tadji is really not appropriate here; tadji would be > something like {lo nu lamji cusku ro lerfu cu tadji lo nu valci > skicu}, i.e. "I speak each letter in sequence" is a tadji, the > sequence of letters is not. > > -Robin > There are only three people I consider jbocre: .xorxes., .camgusmis., and gejyspa. Well, and .lindar., in some areas. -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 10:22 AM, Robin Lee Powe= ll <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 10:01:39AM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 12 July 2012 22:54, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 6:44 PM, Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On 12 July 2012 20:41, Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > If by "answered" you're referring to = that semantically incorrect use
> > of
> > >> > {tadji},
> > >>
> > >> > then no, you haven't answered it at all. You= 9;ve told me my solutions
> > >> > are no good, and I've thus made more. I have ye= t to see you
> > >> > reciprocate that behaviour.
> > >
> > >
> > > Also, I've seen no opinion's as to the "semanti= c correctness" of using
> > tadji
> > > besides your own. To date, no jbocertu has made a comment on= e way or the
> > > other. Until at least one of them does, I'm going to con= tinue with the
> > > opinion that there is nothing wrong with using tadji to ask = how to spell
> > > something.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Talk of our discussion transpired into #lojban. The consensus is = that
> > using tadji is wrong or malglico:
> >
> > [11:01] <selpa`i> .i ma tadji lo nu ciska lo vi valsi -- do= es feel
> > slightly off. Personally I'd use dratai or similar
> > [11:01] <@xalbo> "How do you spell this word?" as= {tadji} feels malgli
> > to me. I very much prefer {ma lerpoi zo broda} (or whatever)
> > [11:02] <selpa`i> See we all agree :)
> > [11:02] < @xalbo> If the answer is "With a pen", = then you're asking
> > the wrong question.
> >
>
> "To date, no jbocertu has made a comment one way or the other.&qu= ot;
>
> This statement is still true.

0___o

You need to do some research before you say things like that.

xalbo has been jbocre nearly as long as I have, and is in my top 3
list of people to go to when I myself am confused.

As for selpa'i and tsani ... Umm, if you think they're not jbocre,<= br> you need to spend a lot more time in IRC. =A0A huge segment of the
community is there chatting reams of Lojban every day.
http://www.lojban.org/resources/irclog/lojban/2012_= 01/2012_01_01.txt
-- that's *one day*, and it's more Lojban from each of them than I've ever seen you generate.

I would think twice, personally, before arguing with any of them
about this sort of thing.

And, no, tadji is really not appropriate here; tadji would be
something like {lo nu lamji cusku ro lerfu cu tadji lo nu valci
skicu}, i.e. "I speak each letter in sequence" is a tadji, the sequence of letters is not.

-Robin

There are only three people I consider= jbocre: .xorxes., .camgusmis., and gejyspa.

Well, and .lindar., in = some areas.

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'= o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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