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[98.139.91.86]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id ir9si679702pbc.1.2012.07.13.11.16.59; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 11:17:00 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 98.139.91.86 as permitted sender) client-ip=98.139.91.86; Received: from [98.139.91.65] by nm16.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2012 18:16:59 -0000 Received: from [68.142.200.226] by tm5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2012 18:16:59 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.114] by t7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2012 18:16:59 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1019.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2012 18:16:59 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 470325.87631.bm@omp1019.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 28973 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jul 2012 18:16:59 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: njUly7kVM1ki336Fgi5fLrPa98mXvxh_N9QxKIU_OK0gXc5 ZZPMmLUPXsWE7Ra1qk0iOFlF3mtrO8HrXo6MkPu8bhiC1EYhDehwFnZSoRif tSlqmlKxD0hvV_.XrD0F3wS6KuuzDLd6AiyfudRNzLHiHS41kfjQdOHehgEG .7adwe_HRs9Vw0SRp.L7qILTmG.a133dVhRaSu34qhXtCWPVGYOtQgkjANn6 p1KWLiSF_ByliAeiO0HEhrrbUNCnwFTBk4QSTlH9cYMw4LRXMhbrwVGZ99AY n1du.be.hZqOhkWke9fqmIvelP0yFtrMOoVGiUgF.BUq0ecHj5J4BfiMNgk8 spzv.4g1xLeuG0ta5fXvBH1EmlemxSf0hpG2gqjos6HEYw_tTj2d7515k9dM zmGa6sjnyxVhi7eZFssOCg49G5ohYE25MAvebmxPwyOHkgYENMAjWTSSVqca lqjDFGfnVEUmG8EpJXadElvgboKUanA0q_Dzh_M.4QE5hRQpJ46vAcqDyTFP kW57QIz8j_zZUME0- Received: from [99.92.108.194] by web184406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 11:16:58 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 References: <4FFE5CB0.7050506@gmail.com> <41a043f3-4116-45ad-baab-730e89b69637@googlegroups.com> <4FFF61CF.9080807@gmail.com> <4FFF8D51.7070002@gmail.com> <4FFF9080.5000800@gmail.com> <4FFFA544.5070404@gmail.com> <4FFFAF56.7050901@gmail.com> <4FFFCCAD.5070809@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1342203418.26085.YahooMailNeo@web184406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 11:16:58 -0700 (PDT) From: John E Clifford Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Gender, yet again. To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 98.139.91.86 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1789658926-920308017-1342203418=:26085" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --1789658926-920308017-1342203418=:26085 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just back from the General convention of the Episcopal Church, so I have he= ard "gender" up to here.=A0 From all of that, I gather that it might be mor= e useful to search for a number of particular terms, rather than a general = one like "gender".=A0 Leaving aside sex (at least two definitions, one gene= tic with about a half dozen slots, one plumbing with an at least two dimens= ional field with countless cluster points) and sexual orientation (presente= d as a linear array with about a half dozen cluster points, but also implic= itly two such arrays, differing loosely by sex), there remain gender roles = (differing from one micro society to another and covering areas from person= al hygiene to crafts and beyond) gender roling (conforming to some roles --= a matter of degree as well which areas), gender identity (what you say you= are -- there seem to be at least five easy categories here), gender expres= sion (what you look to be to others -- it's not clear whether this includes pseudos or that is just a byproduct of ineptness -- at least as m= any categories as identity) and gender status (what you can get the governm= ent, etc., to say you are).=A0 I'm sure I missed some, but this is enough t= o start, not merely looking for terms to match these but also specify at le= ast some of the cluster points in the various maps (some of these clusters = are rather small but often the more interesting for al that). ________________________________ --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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Just back = from the General convention of the Episcopal Church, so I have heard "gende= r" up to here.  From all of that, I gather that it might be more usefu= l to search for a number of particular terms, rather than a general one lik= e "gender".  Leaving aside sex (at least two definitions, one genetic = with about a half dozen slots, one plumbing with an at least two dimensiona= l field with countless cluster points) and sexual orientation (presented as= a linear array with about a half dozen cluster points, but also implicitly= two such arrays, differing loosely by sex), there remain gender roles (dif= fering from one micro society to another and covering areas from personal h= ygiene to crafts and beyond) gender roling (conforming to some roles -- a m= atter of degree as well which areas), gender identity (what you say you are -- there seem to be at least five easy categories here), gender ex= pression (what you look to be to others -- it's not clear whether this incl= udes pseudos or that is just a byproduct of ineptness -- at least as many c= ategories as identity) and gender status (what you can get the government, = etc., to say you are).  I'm sure I missed some, but this is enough to = start, not merely looking for terms to match these but also specify at leas= t some of the cluster points in the various maps (some of these clusters ar= e rather small but often the more interesting for al that).





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