Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]:43045) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Spoil-0002GK-Gp; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:52:25 -0700 Received: by yhoo21 with SMTP id o21sf2787417yho.16 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:52:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=Z0k2UDsz9JiC3j5ayRs2gGQ4DVbb4XGfz1xYnlS89oA=; b=gNAsOVzC5W3RfoDZC4TA4VGUkzjW20BNLsWhLgTqgHyx5geKmaawfmYvvcgPGGRCI5 yGUIFXIEl6QlNlPNL+eU9YkaF3diQErfi4XIZFe8BQWCMjoYRIbSeeIR89jEVB9hOrsa ATVQEFPWjMUIfQYEu749YWqoV+wbZO0qJQVkI= Received: by 10.236.74.131 with SMTP id x3mr854241yhd.13.1342219936971; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:52:16 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.236.93.48 with SMTP id k36ls6686637yhf.6.gmail; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:52:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.191.40 with SMTP id f28mr6099267yhn.2.1342219935607; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:52:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.191.40 with SMTP id f28mr6099243yhn.2.1342219935449; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:52:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chausie (cpe-069-132-101-103.carolina.res.rr.com. [69.132.101.103]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id h70si1738073yhk.2.2012.07.13.15.52.14; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:52:14 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.132.101.103 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=69.132.101.103; Received: from ip6-localhost (ip6-localhost [IPv6:::1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id C58F728705 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 18:52:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] {da} and abstractions Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 18:52:11 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201207131852.12399.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.132.101.103 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Thursday 12 July 2012 21:33:53 Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > Quantifiers don't refer to anything, they quantify a bridi. "re lo mu > broda" doesn't mean much outside of a bridi. "re lo mu broda cu brode" > says that exactly two of the five referents of "lo mu broda" satisfy > the predicate "brode". It says nothing about which two they are. The > problem with "lu'i re lo broda" is that we have a quantifier and a > domain of quantification, but no obvious bridi for it to quantify. How about "xa lu'i re lo mu broda naku vasru li no"? (assuming that one of = the=20 five broda is 0) Pierre --=20 When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates. J=E1 n=E3o percebe nada, j=E1 n=E3o percebe nada. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.