Received: from mail-qa0-f56.google.com ([209.85.216.56]:43186) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SptlF-0004DC-Ct; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:15:22 -0700 Received: by qaas11 with SMTP id s11sf1320002qaa.1 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:15:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=SpiMtotbW5t1L92hj4Q1jf42ud3LEMpf0zi/AmWSbmQ=; b=EkEmW6DTGCFojGf/+R93CMj8RU/PtblEIRu3oMnCDJIxIC4pvqLaQ6po4xW5AZKqhv KOzQagg00MK9SGxBBBl9wwLsiUHKO5ruMBl0eXYy5+YYIki3RCM//f3nhOB9NV0bxzlN ix6Lgs5BRWynkfdsVGBYaJnHFf/fDX+0DN3ZA= Received: by 10.52.23.65 with SMTP id k1mr366950vdf.7.1342239310828; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:15:10 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.223.77 with SMTP id ij13ls2161733vcb.1.gmail; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:15:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.24.68 with SMTP id s4mr3167187vdf.3.1342239310214; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:15:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.24.68 with SMTP id s4mr3167186vdf.3.1342239310204; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:15:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vb0-f54.google.com (mail-vb0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y20si428175vdd.0.2012.07.13.21.15.10 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:15:10 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.54 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.54; Received: by vbmv11 with SMTP id v11so4540601vbm.27 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:15:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.108.1 with SMTP id d1mr1836460vcp.19.1342239310124; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:15:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.24.193 with HTTP; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:14:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <8ffd2928-910d-4818-8546-8c84e3678abe@googlegroups.com> From: Jacob Errington Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 00:14:49 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] scalars and portion selbri To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: nictytan@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.54 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nictytan@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On 13 July 2012 18:43, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Jacob Errington wro= te: >> >> Using si'e implies *time* I'd say, because these MOI cmavo don't know >> of the natural implications of "going" such as distance travelled, >> etc. Furthermore, in Lojban we must frequently use events as proxies >> for their durations. ({mi klama ze'u lo cacra} is equivalen to {mi >> klama ze'u lo nu do citka} if do eats for one hour.) We can presumably >> use {la'e} to remedy this. Consider someone travelling to place 100km >> away. The first 50 km took 30 minutes to travel, but the last 50km >> took one hour. The temporal 50% is reached at 62.5km of travelled >> distance, but the distance 50% is reached at 50km. >> >> #4 {la'e lo nu caba'o klama cu fi'uresi'e la'e lo mu'e klama} > > Or you could use "lo ve klama": "lo ca ba'o ve klama cu fi'u re si'e > lo ba mo'u ve klama". > I had anticipated that someone might suggest {ve klama}. I believe that the {ve klama} is constant throughout the event of going. That is to say that I think that the route is just some trajectory connecting the se klama to the te klama, regardless of the goer's current position on that route. According to that belief, using {ve klama} just doesn't work. > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegr= oups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an?hl=3Den. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.