Received: from mail-qc0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]:64468) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SpupV-0004Na-FR; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 22:23:46 -0700 Received: by qcac11 with SMTP id c11sf4410195qca.16 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 22:23:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=/oz0/HibbyjIDNfaf3X+MonX4Z4fffpQH/Q3rRdSp4k=; b=2fP96RLUNo1P7bT6qzca/wYuHVv62tD73ju+xSM6q/kD8HaqqqxMrpc2skal+4c7dK jMrQoKm+Zlve3Cuf7zParbrjgNDkjD1RP47dfxCj8Pc0GGWmoIxsCyNz/W+ALShR+FoD 7CoxSkCjDq/d3k9pAWhwhStULwzygDGxhaPJE= Received: by 10.50.212.74 with SMTP id ni10mr233363igc.6.1342243417426; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 22:23:37 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.11.232 with SMTP id t8ls1535067igb.2.canary; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 22:23:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.197.134 with SMTP id iu6mr1364569igc.1.1342243416886; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 22:23:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.197.134 with SMTP id iu6mr1364568igc.1.1342243416870; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 22:23:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gv6si1136528igb.0.2012.07.13.22.23.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 13 Jul 2012 22:23:36 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.182 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.182; Received: by obbun3 with SMTP id un3so7330126obb.13 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 22:23:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.184.227 with SMTP id ex3mr812588igc.26.1342243416352; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 22:23:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.64.30.68 with HTTP; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 22:23:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5000B735.6020605@gmail.com> References: <4FFE5CB0.7050506@gmail.com> <41a043f3-4116-45ad-baab-730e89b69637@googlegroups.com> <4FFF61CF.9080807@gmail.com> <4FFF8D51.7070002@gmail.com> <4FFF9080.5000800@gmail.com> <4FFFA544.5070404@gmail.com> <4FFFAF56.7050901@gmail.com> <4FFFCCAD.5070809@gmail.com> <5000966F.0@gmail.com> <5000B735.6020605@gmail.com> From: MorphemeAddict Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 01:23:05 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Gender, yet again. To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.182 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340d8108a97004c4c3661f X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --14dae9340d8108a97004c4c3661f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 8:03 PM, vitci'i wrote: > On 07/13/2012 04:57 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > Stereotypes aren't imaginary. They're derogatory, insulting, and WRONG. > > What's the difference between something that's imaginary and something > that's not true? > Many kinds of things can be not true without being imaginary: opinions, sentences, stereotypes, stevo > > > > Except that's not the way we do things. The meaning of the English > "gender" > > is so broad it covers /completely unrelated/ concepts. > > > > There is nothing wrong with having a word in Lojban that covers a wide > > berth- that's what the intention of the gismu is, after all. > > > > But we do /not/ have words that cover multiple concepts. That defeats the > > purpose of the language. > > What set of words do you suggest? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --14dae9340d8108a97004c4c3661f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 8:03 PM, vitci&#= 39;i <celestialcognition@gmail.com> wrote:
On 07/13/2012 04:57 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> Stereotypes aren't imaginary. They're derogatory, insulting, a= nd WRONG.

What's the difference between something that's imaginary and = something
that's not true?

Many kinds of thin= gs can be not true without being imaginary: opinions, sentences, stereotype= s,=A0

stevo=A0


> Except that's not the way we do things. The meaning of the English= "gender"
> is so broad it covers /completely unrelated/ concepts.
>
> There is nothing wrong with having a word in Lojban that covers a wide=
> berth- that's what the intention of the gismu is, after all.
>
> But we do /not/ have words that cover multiple concepts. That defeats = the
> purpose of the language.

What set of words do you suggest?

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