Received: from mail-lb0-f189.google.com ([209.85.217.189]:57789) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Sq1eF-00067i-7y; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 05:40:41 -0700 Received: by lbol5 with SMTP id l5sf2723612lbo.16 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 05:40:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Vn6i7+NJh5NbGDyphck4fqUO4sDfBK0jldrfkNEpn1k=; b=jwRpCjzXwkgo7SPJqkSeip5RTGWxZ3W79jlJ7LsyNelYbHaL+lZyVR/wWH/sSZ4hr3 6WcJmRtUyx++ISYOgbLgCXnHV9Kdnpax2dUzVrXC3WWIDxRMt61iuI5KrfLyYdIUfP4T LmSL3zke38c/mvfK5HGZxwPPpe0sAFgDzv3Po= Received: by 10.204.156.22 with SMTP id u22mr231637bkw.32.1342269626582; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 05:40:26 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.7.213 with SMTP id e21ls3735501bke.2.gmail; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 05:40:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.128.207 with SMTP id l15mr761384bks.4.1342269624710; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 05:40:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.128.207 with SMTP id l15mr761382bks.4.1342269624695; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 05:40:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f175.google.com (mail-lb0-f175.google.com [209.85.217.175]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j4si2698382bkj.3.2012.07.14.05.40.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 14 Jul 2012 05:40:24 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.175 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.175; Received: by lbol5 with SMTP id l5so6255528lbo.20 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 05:40:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.109.198 with SMTP id hu6mr5015582lab.21.1342269624261; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 05:40:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.28.134 with HTTP; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 05:40:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <8ffd2928-910d-4818-8546-8c84e3678abe@googlegroups.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 09:40:24 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] scalars and portion selbri From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.175 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 1:14 AM, Jacob Errington wrote: > > I had anticipated that someone might suggest {ve klama}. I believe > that the {ve klama} is constant throughout the event of going. But lo ca ba'o ve klama can only be a route already travelled, so the route that goes from your starting point to (at most) the point where you are now, which would be lo ca ba'o se klama. > That is > to say that I think that the route is just some trajectory connecting > the se klama to the te klama, regardless of the goer's current > position on that route. According to that belief, using {ve klama} > just doesn't work. If you are considering a single event, then I agree it has a single route. But you can also compare the route of the event of going from the starting point to where you are now (that's the event which is now in the ba'o phase) with the route of the event of going from the starting point to your final destination (that's the event that will sometime in the future be at the mo'u point), and then the first route will be some fraction of the second route. The full event is not now in the ba'o phase, so you can't describe it as "ca ba'o klama". mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.